When a talk page does not exist, the presentation isn't very welcoming:
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The page should encourage users to make the first edit. Something like a big content area that invites users to edit it.
= Approaches
✅ **Approach #1: Extend the empty state experience (T270323) to include talk pages that only contain templates**
- //Moved to T312599//
**Approach #2: Disable hiding mboxes on talk pages (or all non-content namespaces)**
- //Considerations//
-- Mboxes usually look awful on mobile, because they were designed on desktop. It’s possible to make them mobile-friendly, but this requires work, and needs to be done by the communities (as mboxes are styled on-wiki).
= Developer notes
The page only appears empty because the contents of the page is marked up as an tmbox which is collapsed into the link "About this page" at the top.
This is how it would look if we removed this handling:
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