When a talk page does not exist, the presentation isn't very welcoming:
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The page should encourage users to make the first edit. Something like a big content area that invites users to edit it.
= Approaches
**Approach #1: Extend the empty state experience (T270323) to include talk pages that only contain templates**
- //Considerations//
-- We'd need to make sure the definition of "empty" does not accidentally include talk pages that are not actually meant to be used for discussions because we wouldn't want to lead people to think they ought to start discussions on talk pages that do not contain any discussions and are not actually intended for hosting discussions. //Perhaps the presence of the `_NONEWSECTION_` magic word appearing on a page is sufficient enough signal to prevent said pages from receiving the empty state experience.//
= Developer notes
The page only appears empty because the contents of the page is marked up as an tmbox which is collapsed into the link "About this page" at the top.
This is how it would look if we removed this handling:
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