[16:13:41] <africanhope> d3r1ck: yes, please go ahead
[16:14:30] <d3r1ck> Here is the link to the leader board
[16:14:34] LINK: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169573 [⚓ T169573 Africa Wikimedia Developers Leaderboard Monthly Statistics for the year 2017]
[16:14:43] <Zppix> Hello :)
[16:15:00] <d3r1ck> Zppix: Hey!
[16:15:17] <d3r1ck> So we had 23 patches in the last half of the project submitted!
[16:15:38] <r054l13> Wow!
[16:15:39] <d3r1ck> in 2017
[16:15:54] <r054l13> That's not a bad number :)
[16:16:35] <d3r1ck> Patches where submitted in July, August, September, October & December
[16:16:45] <d3r1ck> Wondering why November was empty :)
[16:17:00] <Zppix> November was crazy :)
[16:17:16] <d3r1ck> :D
[16:17:48] <d3r1ck> Looking at the ticket, maybe someone has a question to ask?
[16:18:23] <Zppix> Anyone have anything to add to the 2017 year review?
[16:18:58] INFO: 23 patches in previous half of AWMD (2017)
[16:19:54] <d3r1ck> Also, one thing to note is there are supposed to 3 persons on the leader board each month
[16:20:10] <d3r1ck> But due to only few people submitting patches, at times it's 2
[16:20:17] <d3r1ck> So let's maximize the opportunity
[16:20:20] <Zppix> :(
[16:20:34] <d3r1ck> And also, I'm not including myself on the leader board, it won't be fiar :) (NOTE)
[16:20:43] <Zppix> Nor myself
[16:21:14] <d3r1ck> Zppix: :)
[16:21:32] INFO: Leaderboard to have 3 persons as much as possible.
[16:21:53] <africanhope> Well if there is still room for that, I just want to congratulate the whole team behind this. Its remarkable to be able to move from the idea to concrete results such as the patches submited
[16:22:19] <d3r1ck> africanhope: Yes africanhope, there is always room :)
[16:22:32] <Zppix> Always room :)
[16:22:58] <africanhope> great then :)
[16:23:33] <d3r1ck> Also, I'll like to say that the board hasn't been really active due to GCI I think
[16:23:59] <d3r1ck> So GCI ends in 3 days and we'll start adding more beginner tasks on the workboard for us to work on :)
[16:25:18] <d3r1ck> Anything to add concerning the review of 2017?
[16:26:27] <noela> I just wish to mention that The same names appear on the board every month and It make competition spirit week
[16:27:07] <noela> Let try to create more awareness
[16:27:15] <d3r1ck> noela: Okay! So we'll try as much as we can to get more other involved
[16:27:34] <d3r1ck> A little help on documentation?
[16:28:10] <r054l13> I will do that
[16:28:11] <africanhope> Documenting the etherpad or anything else?
[16:28:29] <d3r1ck> africanhope: Yes, help document on Etherpad
[16:28:36] <d3r1ck> r054l13: Okay! Thanks
[16:28:45] <africanhope> d3r1ck: roger that.
[16:29:10] <d3r1ck> noela: Note that we can create as much awareness as we can but can't really force people to contribute right?
[16:29:24] <d3r1ck> So it's all about trying to motivate people across Africa to contribute, it's a tough problem :)
[16:30:00] <noela> d3r1ck: yea
[16:30:12] <d3r1ck> But bit by bit, we're making progress!
[16:30:31] <d3r1ck> Hoping to see a big wave sweeping across Africa and getting more participants from around Africa to contribute
[16:31:25] <d3r1ck> Anyone has a question to ask? (next point in the agenda)
[16:31:28] INFO: Q & A session
[16:31:31] <r054l13> concerning what noela said
[16:31:41] <d3r1ck> r054l13: Okay, go ahead
[16:32:07] <r054l13> Is there anyone planing to present or expose this project at Indaba this year?
[16:32:50] <r054l13> It can be a good way of creating awareness
[16:33:21] <d3r1ck> r054l13: Yes, the AWMD team is working on that and in case we get a chance to attend Indaba, we'll make a presentation around the project
[16:33:26] <d3r1ck> Does that answer your question?
[16:33:45] <r054l13> Yes thanks
[16:34:00] <d3r1ck> Okay! great!
[16:34:04] <d3r1ck> Any other question?
[16:36:50] <d3r1ck> Seems no question?
[16:37:08] <d3r1ck> Moving to the next point in the agenda then
[16:37:11] INFO: Common issues (e.g. What is still holding you back from contributing to Wikimedia tech projects?)
[16:37:33] <d3r1ck> What then could be holding people back from contributing?
[16:38:51] <Zppix> Anyone?
[16:39:21] <d3r1ck> Any ideas?
[16:40:13] <Zppix> I notice some people are too scared to join, due to learning curve there is... anyone else notice this?
[16:40:37] <d3r1ck> Zppix: Yes I think that is an issue
[16:40:39] <Zppix> If so, theres a solution.
[16:40:46] <d3r1ck> Zppix: Shoot
[16:41:22] <Zppix> Walk them through it, be around to answer their questions, all in all help them find out what is wrong or whats right
[16:41:44] <Zppix> Point them to the right direction, dont just tell them the answer
[16:42:03] <d3r1ck> Zppix: Yes, that sounds great!
[16:42:06] <africanhope> +1 Zppix
[16:42:07] <Zppix> That is the best way i know of to help someone find their way here in wikimedia
[16:42:29] <africanhope> to me this goes even for the selection of the ticket on phabricator
[16:42:55] <africanhope> I know from my young experience on gerrit that picking a ticket on phab, replicating can be daunting
[16:42:57] <d3r1ck> africanhope: Yes, I feel you bro! africanhope is a living testimony to Zppix's solution. It works :)
[16:43:15] <d3r1ck> africanhope: Yes, reproducing a bug without clear steps on phab is an issue :)
[16:44:00] <africanhope> xtactly, I ran into lot of tickets where I needed to ask to tickets author to describe better the step to reproduce it
[16:44:01] <Zppix> Finding the right ticket can be tricky sometimes, honestly what you want to work on should be down to, what languages in programming you know, bug description, and difficulty levels.
[16:44:33] <africanhope> so for a newbie, if there is mentor that can select a ticket in advance and help him/her do the replication
[16:44:39] <Zppix> africanhope: sadly with open source projects there will be that, asking for more info is the best thing to do
[16:44:56] <africanhope> at least until the newcomer is experienced enough to do the whole step alone
[16:46:21] <africanhope> Zppix: yes it's true that discussion is a key aspect in opensource projects
[16:46:43] <Zppix> africanhope: that can be different depending on their knowledge, most people ive mentored Ive told them how to do it but left it up to them to actually do it. For example in Google Code in a student asked me about SWAT, I told him how to schedule it and where to go for it, but i left him to follow through with it, and it went well, the student was able to have operations deploy his patch with no issues
[16:47:34] <Zppix> Also for any non-developers feel free to chime in too :)
[16:48:22] <d3r1ck> :)
[16:48:36] <d3r1ck> Flame_: Are you around?
[16:50:38] <Zppix> Any other comments or questions about this topic?
[16:52:08] <d3r1ck> So moving straight to the next point of the agenda (assuming no comments?)
[16:52:13] <Zppix> Also i just realized i havent introduced myself to possible newcomers, I am Zppix and as of a few weeks ago I'm officially a volunteer member of AWMD as a mentor to members, and to the project itself
[16:53:00] <Zppix> I am as many of you know am not from africa, I am american :)
[16:53:06] <d3r1ck> Zppix: Great! I'm happy to see that your officially in as a mentor, brings us joy!
[16:53:44] <africanhope> Zppix: It's good to have you on board
[16:53:53] <d3r1ck> A == A :D
[16:54:27] <d3r1ck> Africa[n] == America[n]
[16:54:32] <d3r1ck> a == a :D
[16:54:40] <Zppix> Anyway, we can move on if we are ready :)
[16:54:52] <d3r1ck> Sure.
[16:54:54] INFO: Final Q & A, thoughts, etc
[16:55:12] <d3r1ck> Final Q & A, thoughts, please let's all feel free to pour our heads here
[16:56:14] <africanhope> I have one
[16:56:29] <Zppix> Go ahead
[16:57:49] <africanhope> Could someone give link or documentation to find and add affordable tickets to the project board on phab? Till now I used to pick tickets alread featured there, never searched for them myself
[16:59:25] <d3r1ck> africanhope: A bigger picture, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs
[16:59:27] <Zppix> Thats the correct link
[16:59:33] <d3r1ck> Zppix: Thanks :)
[16:59:56] LINK: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/169/ & https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs - good places to find bugs to add to the project [Login]
[17:00:25] <africanhope> Zppix: thank you
[17:01:23] <Zppix> No problem
[17:03:10] <Zppix> Anyone else have anything?
[17:06:53] <d3r1ck> Seems no more questions?
[17:07:23] <Zppix> Final call for q&a
[17:08:59] <Zppix> d3r1ck: i guess were ready for next point
[17:09:30] <d3r1ck> Zppix: Okay!
[17:09:33] INFO: Wrap-up. If DevRel is present, ask them to say somethings (please?)
[17:09:59] <d3r1ck> That's the next point which I think it's not kinda useful since no DelRel persion around
[17:10:16] <Zppix> Well thank you all for coming feel free to stick around, logs of this meeting and meeting minutes will be posted on the ticket
[17:10:44] <Zppix> I look forwarding to seeing you all and more the second friday of Feb.
[17:11:13] <d3r1ck> Thanks very much Zppix, and for the huge energy you put in for fixing our Agenda :)
[17:11:26] <africanhope> Thank you everyone, take care
[17:11:36] <Zppix> Sadly, as internet doesnt support snacks, there wont be any for after the meeting :(
[17:11:37] <d3r1ck> Let's idle around for 15 more mins for the official closing time before the meeting ends
[17:11:42] <africanhope> ahaha
[17:11:42] <d3r1ck> Maybe someone will have something to ask :)
[17:15:29] <d3r1ck> If I missed something, someone should please add :)
[17:17:15] <wikibugs> 10Africa-Wikimedia-Developers, 10Developer-Relations, 10User-Zppix: Africa Wikimedia Developers IRC general meeting #2 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183017#3841210 (10D3r1ck01) Thanks everyone for making out time to attend the meeting. Planning for the next meeting will commence soon and the ticket wi...
[17:24:24] <d3r1ck> Zppix: Did I miss something in the etherpad?
[17:28:45] <d3r1ck> Thank you everyone for your time and participation in the meeting! Hoping to see you again next meeting (2nd week of Feb)
[17:29:04] AGREED: Next meeting will take place, second week of February 2018
[17:29:14] Meeting ended by d3r1ck, total meeting length 5394 seconds