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Wikipedias with zh-* language codes waiting to be renamed (zh-min-nan -> nan, zh-yue -> yue, zh-classical -> lzh)
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Author: astroviolin

Description:
Dear Administrator,

I have an account in Taiwanese/Holo Wikipedia
(http://zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A2u-ia%CC%8Dh) and I'm a sysop of
Taiwanese Wikisource. Formerly we've used the code "zh-min-nan", but now we're
in the ISO 639-3 (http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp?order=639_3&letter=n)
list, using its code "nan". We want to have our code more formally and briefly
and change it in to the new one, but we don't know how. Can you help us or tell
us what to do? I've asked User:Angela and User:Tim_Starling in Meta-Wiki, and
Angela suggest me to report here. Please help us! Thanks very much!


Version: unspecified
Severity: major
URL: http://zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A2u-ia%CC%8Dh
See Also:
T22547: Update non-standard language codes in the projects

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Mvolz set Security to None.Mar 21 2015, 2:51 PM
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Dzahn added a subscriber: Dzahn.May 7 2015, 12:19 AM

This is getting ridiculous. This bug requires only simple configuration changes

This is not true. Wiki renaming was blocked on external storage last time i checked.

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Kaihsu raised the priority of this task from Normal to High.Apr 2 2016, 8:23 PM
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This bug is nearly a decade old. Could we please get some impetus to fix it?

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Aklapper lowered the priority of this task from High to Normal.Apr 3 2016, 9:06 AM

The priority of this task was increased.

@Kaihsu: As priority reflects reality and does not cause it, could you please elaborate why this task has suddenly become more urgent? If you increased priority because you plan to work on this task (thanks!) please claim the task by setting yourself as assignee. Thank you for your help!

Kaihsu added a comment.EditedApr 3 2016, 12:14 PM

It has not suddenly become urgent. For the users, it has been urgent for a decade. The earlier comments show that the users who raised this issue were ignored. Because of this bug, the users have not been able to take advantage of some advances in software. For example, this link does not go to the correct mobile version: https://nan.m.wikipedia.org/ cf. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/

The bug should be assigned to someone who has the knowledge and system access to make the correct changes, so this can actually be fixed.

It would help if it can be explained what is blocking the issue and who to contact to solve the problem.

It has not suddenly become urgent. For the users, it has been urgent for a decade. The earlier comments show that the users who raised this issue were ignored. Because of this bug, the users have not been able to take advantage of some advances in software. For example, this link does not go to the correct mobile version: https://nan.m.wikipedia.org/ cf. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/
It is obvious that the bug should be assigned to someone who has the knowledge and system access to make the correct changes, so this can actually be fixed.
It has not been explained clearly what is blocking the issue and who to contact to solve the problem.

Is T31186#1625347 helpful?

Dzahn removed a subscriber: Dzahn.Apr 11 2016, 5:31 PM
Phabricator_maintenance renamed this task from Wikipedias with zh-* language codes waiting to be renamed (zh-min-nan -> nan, zh-yue -> yue, zh-classical -> lzh) (tracking) to Wikipedias with zh-* language codes waiting to be renamed (zh-min-nan -> nan, zh-yue -> yue, zh-classical -> lzh).Aug 14 2016, 12:13 AM

The earlier comments show that the users who raised this issue were ignored. Because of this bug, the users have not been able to take advantage of some advances in software. For example, this link does not go to the correct mobile version: https://nan.m.wikipedia.org/ cf. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/

If you're asking who resulted in these issues, per https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Cantonese_2, that said, @Hillgentleman, @Pathoschild, @Felix Wan, @Chamdarae, @Harvzsf, @HenryLi, @Taichi, @Ffaarr, and @Servien

HenryLi added a comment.EditedOct 4 2016, 4:17 AM

The earlier comments show that the users who raised this issue were ignored. Because of this bug, the users have not been able to take advantage of some advances in software. For example, this link does not go to the correct mobile version: https://nan.m.wikipedia.org/ cf. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/

If you're asking who resulted in these issues, per https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Cantonese_2, that said, @Hillgentleman, @Pathoschild, @Felix Wan, @Chamdarae, @Harvzsf, @HenryLi, @Taichi, @Ffaarr, and @Servien

If you prefer to dig into the history of Cantonese Wikipedia, I can give you some brief information.
The proposal of Cantonese Wikipedia started from 2004 and was finally approved at the end of 2006. At that time, the code of Cantonese was "zh-yue" under the proposal of ISO-639. This code pre-dated the final standard, ISO 639-3:2007, which gave the code "yue" to Cantonese. When "yue" became final and we requested for code change in align with ISO 639-3:2007. This kind of discrepancy causes many requests for language code change on various wikipedias.

The earlier comments show that the users who raised this issue were ignored. Because of this bug, the users have not been able to take advantage of some advances in software. For example, this link does not go to the correct mobile version: https://nan.m.wikipedia.org/ cf. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/

If you're asking who resulted in these issues, per https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Cantonese_2, that said, @Hillgentleman, @Pathoschild, @Felix Wan, @Chamdarae, @Harvzsf, @HenryLi, @Taichi, @Ffaarr, and @Servien

If you prefer to dig into the history of Cantonese Wikipedia, I can give you some brief information.
The proposal of Cantonese Wikipedia started from 2004 and was finally approved at the end of 2006. At that time, the code of Cantonese was "zh-yue" under the proposal of ISO-639. This code pre-dated the final standard, ISO 639-3:2007, which gave the code "yue" to Cantonese. When "yue" became final and we requested for code change in align with ISO 639-3:2007. This kind of discrepancy causes many requests for language code change on various wikipedias.

Huh, isn't yue already avaliable at 2006? http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/chg_requests.asp?chg_status=past said nothing about yue.

The earlier comments show that the users who raised this issue were ignored. Because of this bug, the users have not been able to take advantage of some advances in software. For example, this link does not go to the correct mobile version: https://nan.m.wikipedia.org/ cf. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/

If you're asking who resulted in these issues, per https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Cantonese_2, that said, @Hillgentleman, @Pathoschild, @Felix Wan, @Chamdarae, @Harvzsf, @HenryLi, @Taichi, @Ffaarr, and @Servien

If you prefer to dig into the history of Cantonese Wikipedia, I can give you some brief information.
The proposal of Cantonese Wikipedia started from 2004 and was finally approved at the end of 2006. At that time, the code of Cantonese was "zh-yue" under the proposal of ISO-639. This code pre-dated the final standard, ISO 639-3:2007, which gave the code "yue" to Cantonese. When "yue" became final and we requested for code change in align with ISO 639-3:2007. This kind of discrepancy causes many requests for language code change on various wikipedias.

Huh, isn't yue already avaliable at 2006? http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/chg_requests.asp?chg_status=past said nothing about yue.

ISO 639-3:2007 was published by ISO on 1st February 2007 which was after the creation of Cantonese wikipedia. And it is three letter code standard for languages. It was known as DIS/ISO 639-3 which was under-development between 2002 and 2007. The original suggestion was with a prefix "zh" of ISO 639-1/2 for the family of Chinese languages. Cantonese is not the only case, so as Hokkienese.

There were a lot of debates and changes during the formation of DIS/ISO 639-3. You might notice some old codes like roa-rup and bat-smg in some old wikipedias. This was the consensus for the wikipedia community at that time.

Liuxinyu970226 added a comment.EditedOct 4 2016, 6:20 AM

The earlier comments show that the users who raised this issue were ignored. Because of this bug, the users have not been able to take advantage of some advances in software. For example, this link does not go to the correct mobile version: https://nan.m.wikipedia.org/ cf. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/

If you're asking who resulted in these issues, per https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Cantonese_2, that said, @Hillgentleman, @Pathoschild, @Felix Wan, @Chamdarae, @Harvzsf, @HenryLi, @Taichi, @Ffaarr, and @Servien

If you prefer to dig into the history of Cantonese Wikipedia, I can give you some brief information.
The proposal of Cantonese Wikipedia started from 2004 and was finally approved at the end of 2006. At that time, the code of Cantonese was "zh-yue" under the proposal of ISO-639. This code pre-dated the final standard, ISO 639-3:2007, which gave the code "yue" to Cantonese. When "yue" became final and we requested for code change in align with ISO 639-3:2007. This kind of discrepancy causes many requests for language code change on various wikipedias.

Huh, isn't yue already avaliable at 2006? http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/chg_requests.asp?chg_status=past said nothing about yue.

ISO 639-3:2007 was published by ISO on 1st February 2007 which was after the creation of Cantonese wikipedia. And it is three letter code standard for languages. It was known as DIS/ISO 639-3 which was under-development between 2002 and 2007. The original suggestion was with a prefix "zh" of ISO 639-1/2 for the family of Chinese languages. Cantonese is not the only case, so as Hokkienese.
There were a lot of debates and changes during the formation of DIS/ISO 639-3. You might notice some old codes like roa-rup and bat-smg in some old wikipedias. This was the consensus for the wikipedia community at that time.

cbk-zam? map-bms? roa-tara? ru-sib (defunct)? simple? tokipona (defunct)? too?

The earlier comments show that the users who raised this issue were ignored. Because of this bug, the users have not been able to take advantage of some advances in software. For example, this link does not go to the correct mobile version: https://nan.m.wikipedia.org/ cf. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/

If you're asking who resulted in these issues, per https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Cantonese_2, that said, @Hillgentleman, @Pathoschild, @Felix Wan, @Chamdarae, @Harvzsf, @HenryLi, @Taichi, @Ffaarr, and @Servien

If you prefer to dig into the history of Cantonese Wikipedia, I can give you some brief information.
The proposal of Cantonese Wikipedia started from 2004 and was finally approved at the end of 2006. At that time, the code of Cantonese was "zh-yue" under the proposal of ISO-639. This code pre-dated the final standard, ISO 639-3:2007, which gave the code "yue" to Cantonese. When "yue" became final and we requested for code change in align with ISO 639-3:2007. This kind of discrepancy causes many requests for language code change on various wikipedias.

Huh, isn't yue already avaliable at 2006? http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/chg_requests.asp?chg_status=past said nothing about yue.

ISO 639-3:2007 was published by ISO on 1st February 2007 which was after the creation of Cantonese wikipedia. And it is three letter code standard for languages. It was known as DIS/ISO 639-3 which was under-development between 2002 and 2007. The original suggestion was with a prefix "zh" of ISO 639-1/2 for the family of Chinese languages. Cantonese is not the only case, so as Hokkienese.
There were a lot of debates and changes during the formation of DIS/ISO 639-3. You might notice some old codes like roa-rup and bat-smg in some old wikipedias. This was the consensus for the wikipedia community at that time.

cbk-zam? map-bms? roa-tara? ru-sib (defunct)? simple? tokipona (defunct)? too?

Say, roa-rup is Aromanian language (rup) of Romanic languages (roa), and bat-smg, Samogitian language (smg) of Baltic languages (bat) at that time.

Huh, isn't yue already avaliable at 2006? http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/chg_requests.asp?chg_status=past said nothing about yue.

There's not been any change in ISO 639-3 about "yue" simply because it was part of its first release and no change occured after that. The page about changes does not contain anything for major releases.

"yue" was also immediately added to the IANA registry of language subtags. There was a RFC published detailing the long list of ~7000 codes added (and why not all ISO 639-3 were added) with the new release of BCP47 (which also included new detailed rules about language subtags syntax and use, and another RFC detailing the process for adding new subtags.) The RFCs for BCP47 also included updates for ISO 15924 script codes (partially included in BCP47), and how legacy codes were aliased with prefered codes.

So in summary you are not looking at the right page. For our purpose all is explained in the RFCs for BCP 47. Just look into the IANA registry and you'll find "yue". You cannot just look at ISO 639 announcements, they are only a part of the history.

Liuxinyu970226 added a comment.EditedOct 4 2016, 1:49 PM

TL;DR...

Say, roa-rup is Aromanian language (rup) of Romanic languages (roa), and bat-smg, Samogitian language (smg) of Baltic languages (bat) at that time.

What's the relationship between Samogitian and Simbali?

jhsoby added a comment.Oct 4 2016, 1:57 PM

What's the relationship between Samogitian and Simbali?

None; the code bat-smg was used because Samogitian didn't have a language code, hence the use of the Baltic languages code "bat" with an extension. Samogitian has since gotten the code "sgs".

Liuxinyu970226 lowered the priority of this task from Normal to Lowest.Apr 15 2017, 12:53 AM

to reflect the actual reality, see T30441#2640441 for the full reason (if any else really want this to be normal again, then you should assign this task to yourself first, and then submit patches)

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Krinkle changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Apr 30 2017, 3:54 AM
Krinkle changed the status of subtask T30442: Rename zh-min-nan -> nan from Open to Stalled.
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Stalled since renaming (T21986) is blocked on T145535 (e.g. T112426.).

Krinkle changed the status of subtask T30441: Rename zh-yue -> yue from Open to Stalled.Apr 30 2017, 3:55 AM
Krinkle changed the status of subtask T30443: Rename zh-classical -> lzh from Open to Stalled.
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Verdy_p moved this task from Backlog to Site configuration on the Chinese-Sites board.

@Verdy_p Unfortunatelly non of those tasks are currently affecting zh.wikipedia.org or other zh.*s

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