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Status | Subtype | Assigned | Task | ||
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Open | None | T104227 Show <newarticletext> as a placeholder, or something else that is more useful than an edit notice, for VE users | |||
Resolved | Esanders | T96593 Be able to set placeholder text (generic content?) on an empty CE surface |
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Hmm. Enwiki's version of this message says "type in the box below". I guess it'd still better be a placeholder than an edit notice though.
And technically it's true – "type (in the box) below" vs "type in (the box below)".
J.
Change 221893 had a related patch set uploaded (by Alex Monk):
Set text of newarticletext as placeholder of surface rather than edit notice
Change 221893 merged by jenkins-bot:
Show <newarticletext> as surface placeholder, not an edit notice
This is wrong. Placeholders are not for showing general messages, they're basically inline versions of input <label>s, or to describe example formats (e.g. on a date field). Either way it is a short instruction on how to fill out the input, which this is not.
If we don't like the edit notice system we should address that separately. I agree the new article text probably doesn't belong in edit notices, but it definitely isn't a placeholder.
Change 222269 had a related patch set uploaded (by Esanders):
Revert "Show <newarticletext> as surface placeholder, not an edit notice"
<newarticletext> can contain arbitrary rich formatting, such as on en.wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qewrdvfaeda?veaction=edit , so converting this to a plaintext placeholder is a non-starter.
Change 222269 merged by jenkins-bot:
Revert "Show <newarticletext> as surface placeholder, not an edit notice"
My first thought was a toolbar dialog. We'd have to work out an interface to allow the user to hide/show it, though.
This seems odd. We want an interface component that appears to guide you through dos and don'ts of creating a page… but only does in a non-invasive way (no modal "OK" dialog), doesn't feel like it's a "control" (I think a toolbar window would be poor for this), gives a way to follow links if that's appropriate (maybe?), and other needs.
Longer-term, something with a prompted task list might make sense for some of this (especially if we can add default fillers or wizards on click):
- Add an infobox
- Add two or more references
- Add an illustration
- Add one or more categories
- Link to the Wikidata concept
- Have an external links section
… etc., but that'll take years.