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Disable watch category membership by default
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Please disable watch category membership by default.

Newly deployed feature: watch category membership (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/211526/)

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mediawiki/coremaster+10 -6Disable watch category membership by default
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Mjbmr created this task.Aug 19 2015, 9:12 PM
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gerritbot added a subscriber: gerritbot.Aug 20 2015, 9:05 AM

Change 232697 had a related patch set uploaded (by Mjbmr):
Disable watch category membership by default

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/232697

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• Aklapper edited projects, added MediaWiki-Watchlist, MediaWiki-User-preferences, MediaWiki-Categories, archived--TCB-Team; removed MediaWiki-General.Aug 20 2015, 12:26 PM

Please explain why to disable watch category membership by default.

• KasiaWMDE added a project: German-Community-Wishlist.Aug 20 2015, 12:31 PM
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• Aklapper mentioned this in T109651: French Wiktionary categories are displayed instead of the articles titles.Aug 20 2015, 12:36 PM
• Aklapper merged a task: T109651: French Wiktionary categories are displayed instead of the articles titles.
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• Aklapper added a comment.Aug 20 2015, 12:38 PM

Related: T109672: [CatWatch] Preference for whether category changes affecting watched categories should trigger an email notification (separate from general enotifwatchlist)

Glaisher added a subscriber: Glaisher.Aug 20 2015, 12:42 PM

We might also want to explore the idea of disabling it on specific wikis through #site-requests if it's not going to be done on core.

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In T109633#1556869, @Aklapper wrote:

Please explain why to disable watch category membership by default.

On fr.wiktionary and other heavily categorized wikis the Recent Changes and Watchlists are flooded by modifications on category members. This new feature is certainly useful in some cases, but not to the point of having it by default for everyone in every project. Different projects have different needs.

I second the idea of Glaisher to disable this feature by default in a given project if its community requests it.

• Aklapper added a comment.Aug 20 2015, 6:12 PM

For the time being (copied from https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump&oldid=169161650#Let.27s_try_a_little_FAQ ):

  • To permanently "opt-out"/filter-out: Hide categorization of pages in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist
  • To temporarily filter-out: Hide page categorization at "Watchlist options" in Special:Watchlist or Special:RecentChanges
Thibaut120094 added a subscriber: Thibaut120094.Aug 20 2015, 7:46 PM

The option "Hide categorization of pages" on Special:Preferences has disappeared both on Commons and fr.wiktionary : https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=169170553

Mjbmr added a comment.Aug 20 2015, 7:59 PM

Maybe because I can't see what's behind the scene: T109638

• Aklapper mentioned this in T109759: [CatWatch] Request for blocklist/allowlist feature for category addition watchlist.Aug 20 2015, 8:21 PM
• Aklapper mentioned this in T9148: Watch edits which add or remove pages from a category.
RP88 added a subscriber: RP88.Aug 20 2015, 8:23 PM
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In T109633#1558334, @Mjbmr wrote:

Maybe because I can't see what's behind the scene: T109638

The feature has been entirely removed for now. Once we're sure the issue is entirely mitigated I'll make the task public.

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Liuxinyu970226 added a comment.EditedAug 20 2015, 9:41 PM

On zhwiki, as @hat600 requested, this feature results Special:Recentchanges as overflow, see https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:互助客栈/技术#.E6.9C.80.E8.BF.91.E6.9B.B4.E6.94.B9.E5.92.8C.E7.9B.91.E8.A7.86.E5.88.97.E8.A1.A8.E5.B0.86.E6.98.BE.E7.A4.BA.E5.88.86.E7.B1.BB.E5.86.85.E7.9A.84.E9.A1.B5.E9.9D.A2.E5.8F.98.E5.8A.A8

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Bugreporter added a comment.Aug 21 2015, 5:31 AM

I don't think we should revert T9148 completely. Only hide it by default like Wikidata edits.

zhuyifei1999 added a subscriber: zhuyifei1999.Aug 21 2015, 8:08 AM
MarcoAurelio added a subscriber: MarcoAurelio.Aug 21 2015, 11:41 AM

The feature might be useful, but I think that hidding those from RecentChanges and Watchlists by default would be good.

Addshore closed this task as Declined.Aug 26 2015, 2:50 PM
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I don't think we want to disable by default for core.

Please see T110340 which requests adding an option do disable the feature on a site

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zhuyifei1999 added a comment.Aug 27 2015, 10:07 AM
In T109633#1575543, @Addshore wrote:

I don't think we want to disable by default for core.

And the reason?

Addshore added a comment.Aug 27 2015, 10:12 AM

Most of the justification for disabling the feature by default is that it is slightly annoying on large wikis where things are heavily categorized.
This does not cover the majority of wikis (thinking outside of the wikimedia world)

If this feature were to be disabled by default the majority of users of mediawiki would not even know that it exists.

The feature should be enabled by default but have a configuration option.
This option could then be switched on large heavily categorised wikis if those wikis do not wish to see such RC entries.

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