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"MediaWiki:Yourgender/de-formal" needs to be removed
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This system message is now identical to "MediaWiki:Yourgender/de" fallback and should thus be removed. Depending on when this is done the page on tw.n needs to be deleted again. Thanks and cheers

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Kghbln created this task.Sep 8 2015, 3:22 PM
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Is deletion really required? Thanks.

The localizatin de-formal is not an independent localization. Instead, it only contains the messages that differ from plain de. When it not differs, it should fall back to de. Keeping a seperate message in de-formal that does not differ from the correspondent message in de is an unnecessary hassle for future maintenance.

MarcoAurelio added a subscriber: Raymond.

Thanks @j_mach_wust - I'm working on it.

  • de-formal:
"yourgender": "Welches Geschlecht haben Sie?",
  • de:
"yourgender": "Form der Anrede",

I don't speak German, but messages don't look identical to me. The first one has the formal "Sie".

I think this is some kind of fallback that took over when Kghbln deleted the page on translatewiki (https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Yourgender/de-formal). Before he did, the messages were identical. I do not understand how these fallbacks work.

The fallback uses an outdated translation that no longer fits in the context since the three possible answers have been changed. The old version fitted a context where the question was about finding out the user's sex (Welches Geschlecht haben Sie? ‘What sex do you have?’). Possible answers included Ich bin weiblich (‘I am female’) etc. In the current context, the question no longer is about the user's sex, but about the preferred grammatical gender. Possible answers include „Der Benutzer“, „seine Diskussion“, „er bearbeitet“ usw. (‘“The he-user”, “his discussion”, “he edits”, etc.’) etc. This only makes sense when the question is Form der Anrede (‘form of addressing’) – which does not change when using formal Sie.

Change 237992 had a related patch set uploaded (by MarcoAurelio):
Removing MediaWiki:Yourgender/de-formal

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/237992

Change 237992 merged by jenkins-bot:
Removing MediaWiki:Yourgender/de-formal

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/237992

MarcoAurelio closed this task as Resolved.Sep 13 2015, 6:03 PM

@Raymond merged the patch (thank you) so I'm closing this ticket.