When I patrol files, I sometimes see in their upload summary "Cross-wiki upload from https://commons.wikimedia.org". I think that cross-wiki uploads should be either disabled on Commons only, since we already have Upload Wizard, or the summary changed so that it does not say "cross-wiki" as they are in fact local uploads. This should not affect uploads from any other wikis except Commons.
|Stalled||None||T137269 Disable "cross-wiki" uploads (actually local ones) from Commons to Commons, or change the upload summary so that it does not say confusing "cross-wiki"|
|Open||None||T121631 Make UploadWizard independent of its special page and embeddable elsewhere|
- Mentioned In
- T234192: Automatic upload comments by Upload Wizard are unhelpful, make them more informative
T214230: Temporary switch crosswiki uploads off across all wikis
- Mentioned Here
- T138273: Make AbuseFilter support a filter for cross-wiki uploads
T120998: "Cross-wiki" uploads from Commons to Commons have no upload comment and license
rMWc57fe1c4a890: Refactor upload dialog to make it configurable
T121631: Make UploadWizard independent of its special page and embeddable elsewhere
T120867: Large amounts of unwanted files (mostly copyvios) uploaded via cross-wiki upload tool (A/B test of different upload interfaces)
We don't have another possible target for cross-wiki uploads currently (although of course MediaWiki can have multiple foreign repos and we have multiple wikis hosting a lot of files), so in practice this is requesting to disable the cross-wiki upload entirely.
No need of consensus, since no consensus was ever gained to enable the feature (which is also in contrast with the position Commons holds since 2007, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2007/02#Redesigning_Special:Upload , https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2007/04#Commons:Upload_now_live_for_English ), but it would be nice if you wrote to the Commons village pump with a summary of the information presented at T120867.
Cross-wiki uploads is from all the wikis, to Commons (only). I haven't tried to upload a file "cross-wiki" from Commons to Commons, but the button is present, so it's probably possible. However, almost every image uploaded that way is from a Wikipedia.
(For anybody else confused about what feature this is about, please see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upload_dialog and the screenshots there.)
@Nemo_bis I think you have misunderstood this request, and then changed it to what you wanted it to be. Please don't hijack tasks. :)
@Pokefan95 I think the upload dialog is very convenient, and I have used it myself once or twice when replying on village pumps. Why disable it when editing Commons specifically? Commons has many uploading tools and they can all co-exist. I agree that the upload comment is weird (the upload is not cross-wiki), it currently can't be configured to use a different comment for local vs cross-wiki uploads. This feature could be implemented if you think it is worth the effort.
(On a side note, when creating subtasks, please take care to remove the assignee and the subscribers if they might not want to be subscribed to the new task. We're now emailing some 40 people with every comment here.)
I think we should replace cross-wiki upload with the Upload Wizard, since the Upload Wizard is more informative in copyright than cross-wiki uploads. For example, we can make the upload button on the edit area to show a window where a user can add an existing image or upload an image using Upload Wizard. I have no objection cross-wiki uploads will not be disabled on all wikis, but for Commons, no, since we already have a tool for that.
It seems to me that the only valid complaint in the bug as described is changing the tag description so you no longer have the phrase "cross-wiki" in an upload to the local wiki.
"Because we already have UploadWizard" is not a good argument for disabling a feature with different use-cases.
As for the later discussion, I agree that UW is not currently a practical replacement for the upload dialog system, which is precisely why we built the dialog. As we get closer to an "embeddable" UW, we may still require a lighter weight upload tool for embedded uses. Even reaching that lofty goal, we should not rush to "disable" the upload dialog, because it may still be useful.
Generally speaking, community consensus is required for configuration changes that are not an obvious improvement or that do not have solid rationale. The cross-wiki upload dialog had a pretty solid rationale when we were enabling it ('this makes uploading files easier therefore it is great', later proven to not be entirely correct). I'm not a big fan of slapping the "Community-consensus-needed" tag on everything, but I think your rationale here could be better ;)
Anyway, I wrote some code which would allow this.
- https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293354 Allow configuring distinct upload dialog comments for local/foreign uploads
- https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293355 Make it possible to disable the upload dialog functionality
These patches don't change how the tool behaves by default; after they are reviewed and deployed, you will also need a simple configuration change for whatever you/we decide to do.
"(...) I sometimes see in their upload summary "Cross-wiki upload from commons.wikimedia.org" --> this appears to be extremely rare --> if I managed to configue the Quarry Cross-wiki upload from commons.wikimedia.org (March 2016) (living & tagged & deleted) correctly, I got 0 rows for "Cross-wiki upload from commons.wikimedia.org" in March 2016 (with 36.478 cross-wiki uploads).
The most important message here is: deactivate (ASAP) all "Cross-wiki upload from [insert wiki]"... and if we inserted here (e.g.) the Portuguese Wikipedia --> welcome on board with a bad ratio => 87 % --> that means (in written words) that 87 % of ALL uploads since 10.2015 to (so far analysed) March 2016 via pt.wikipedia.org were deleted (or are pendings deletion).
The overall bad ratio for ALL cross-wiki uploads is probadly > 50 % (for Cross-wiki uploads made on 08.03.2016 it's around 70 %) --> the problem here is: around 50 % of the "bad files" are still living ("Not-Yet-Tagged-Ratio" --> Commons understaffed --> flooded by copyvios) ...
I do not "hijack tasks". I offered a technical hint, spending +/- 20 min. to adapt and run a query related to "Cross-wiki upload from commons.wikimedia.org" and I (of course) linked to an ongoing discussuion concearning "cross-wiki uploads" in general (as done also by some other users above) — also to explain (+ linking) the (technical) origin of these uploaded files, giving contextual information.
https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/10351 --> Cross-wiki upload from commons.wikimedia.org [010116—310516] (living & tagged & deleted)
= 301 rows
= 167 living
= 134 deleted
= 6 pending deletion
--> bad ratio (without further checks): 44 %
= welcome at "cross-wiki uploads". Feel free to engage also there. You will find more copyios/etc.
Somehow, I only got results in this query (filtering via "uploaddate") since 18.05.2016...
Prior to c57fe1c4a890b360fbf88035c601a1e46130d60a (which fixed T120998), local uploads using the upload dialog did not have an upload comment. It might be difficult to find them :( (Example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cross-wiki_uploads_to_Commons,_2015-10-21_to_2015-12-09.png) Since they were also missing a license tag (due to the same bug), they were probably bot-tagged and swiftly deleted.
It's only totally broken when used from the wikitext editor, it works when used from the visual editor. Given that no one noticed a drop in the uploads when it broke, it seems most users use it from the visual editor.
Old screenshot (from T138273#2463848) of the error message (appearing only after you upload and fill in the details):
Okay, so skipping over the offtopic discussion, the current status of this task is the same as a year ago when I wrote this comment:
We can easily make a configuration change to use a different log comment from uploads from Commons to Commons using the upload dialog. We can also easily disable the feature locally on Commons (this can be done without disabling uploads from other wikis to Commons). It's just a matter of local consensus. @zhuyifei1999 Do you want to start a quick discussion on Commons for this? (Or repurpose the one that just came up?)