In T146612#2669643, @Amire80 wrote:In T146612#2667416, @MarcoAurelio wrote:@Amire80 Which category collation do the users want?
Heh, that's an excellent question. I was about to just say uca-default-u-kn, but then I read about the alphabet, and found that it has a rather unusual Latin order. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_alphabet#Current_Karelian_alphabet_.282007.E2.80.93.29 and notice that Z is after S, as well as some other oddities. I guess that it needs to be added to ICU or CLDR, or can it be added locally?
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| Define category collation for olo.wikipedia | operations/mediawiki-config | master | +1 -0 |
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| Resolved | Dereckson | T146612 Create Livvi-Karelian Wikipedia at olo.wikipedia.org | |||
| Resolved | MarcoAurelio | T147064 Determine category collation for Livvi-Karelian Wikipedia (olo.wikipedia.org) |
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I've checked and there is no olo collation in CLDR.
We need to prepare one, based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_alphabet#Current_Karelian_alphabet_.282007.E2.80.93.29 information.
Meanwhile, uca-default is a safe fallback with Z as an issue.
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@Dereckson This is the only remaining subtask open for creating olo.wikipedia. As I have no past experience with category collation, can you please take care of this one? Fallback is now set to Finnish (fi) (not yet live until tomorrow). Regards.
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I propose that, since olo is very close to finnish, to use 'uca-fi' or 'uca-fi-u-kn' as category collation, since 'uca-olo' does not seem to exist or be a valid code?
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Looking at https://olo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategourii:P%C3%A4iv%C3%A4t I think we really need uca-<langcode>-u-kn so numeric sorting works properly.
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Change 334424 had a related patch set uploaded (by MarcoAurelio):
Define category collation for olo.wikipedia
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Based on the comments above, it might be a slight improvement over uca-default, but still wrong.
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Could we try asking on the village pump for olowiki about what collation they prefer?
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They don't seem to pay much attention to that page. Feel free to ask them
though. Thanks.
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Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2017-02-08T19:39:15Z] <dereckson@tin> Synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php: Set category collation for olo.wikipedia (T146612, T147064) (duration: 00m 43s)
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Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2017-02-08T19:44:15Z] <Dereckson> mwscript updateCollation.php --wiki=olowiki --previous-collation=uppercase (T147064, 4238 rows processed)
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Deployed and tested it looks there are no problems so far. Still it'd be better to have someday a uca-xx-olo category collation. Closing as resolved for now. Feel free to reopen if you disagree. Thanks.