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Investigate ways to ease deletion tagging of translation unit pages
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Pages tagged for speedy deletion in the Translations: namespace at Meta (and maybe everywhere else) ain't shown at the relevant speedy deletion category, in fact, they don't show on any category. This namespace is provided by the Translate extension itself. In order to easy maintenance. We should find a way to mark translation units for deletion via TUX or other way to easy the job of translators, administrators and patrollers.

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Translation units are not added to categories, otherwise it would be impossible to make a category link translatable without polluting all categories with translation units (I think this was originally done for the MediaWiki namespace in translatewiki.net, since many MediaWiki system message contain category links). So the bug report with this summary is INVALID.

Maybe you want to instead transform this in a report for a specific use case: who needs to propose translation units for deletion, in which cases and why, and why can't they use the available methods? Note that we already have T50005, T136014, T136332.

There's a bug in this, so I'd not be too quick on close it. The point is:
finding translations marked for deletion for maintenance as things stand
now is a bit of a problem, so there should be a way either to mark
translations for deletion via the translate interface or imagine a system
where those pages tagged for deletion could be listed so administrators can
do their job more easily. Thanks.

I do both know the problem but yet agree that the task as it is should be marked as Invalid. @MarcoAurelio what we need to do is to make it clear for people that they should put those templates e.g. on Translations talk pages. Or they can put them in units still and we just need to be sure to realise that it is a single unit to be deleted, not the whole translation page. @Nemo_bis use cases to mark units for deletions are numerous, it is not uncommon for people to either put some gibberish, put English text or put machine translation instead of proper translation; in case of qqq pseudolanguage people also mistakenly add comments or translations (especially was the case till tux supported edit summary but I am not sure if it isn't now) — some of those are detected by non-admins and they want to nominate those for deletion. I used to do it a couple of times on Meta before getting the rights too.

Putting deletion templates on Talk pages just duplicates our work, @Base.
Instead of deleting one page we have to delete two. The solution here is
either create a script so deletions can be reported at WM:RFH as it's done
in Wikidata or have the system support marking translation units for
deletion with the translation interface.

Would it be code-costly to have a link in TUX "request deletion" and a special page where those pages be listed for administrators to handle?

MarcoAurelio renamed this task from Pages in "Translations:" namespace don't show in categories to Investigate ways to easy the marking and the deletion of translation units.Dec 27 2016, 7:21 PM
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Would it be code-costly to have a link in TUX "request deletion" and a special page where those pages be listed for administrators to handle?

Yes. An alternative would be to write local gadget that extends the dropdown, using a hook, to provide an item that allows to submit a deletion request to some place where admins are looking.

Nemo_bis renamed this task from Investigate ways to easy the marking and the deletion of translation units to Investigate ways to ease the marking and the deletion of translation units.Dec 27 2016, 7:36 PM

I still don't get what's so terrible about the deletion tag showing up on the translation page rather than the translation unit. Did someone accidentally delete an entire page instead of a specific translation unit? If so, I'd blame the trigger-happy sysop.

There's a gadget in Wikidata that they use to tag items for deletion. I
shall have a look at it and see if its use could be extended to Meta. We'd
also need a bot to remove deleted items from such a page to avoid it to
become flooded.

I still don't get why users who come here in good faith asking for
improvents on the software are constantly being driven off (in general, not
for this extension).

There's a gadget in Wikidata that they use to tag items for deletion. I
shall have a look at it and see if its use could be extended to Meta. We'd
also need a bot to remove deleted items from such a page to avoid it to
become flooded.

Wouldn't it be an overkill? I mean is the traffic of those RfDs that big to
raise up all this infrastructure of scripts, bot and so on? Just to be clear,
I am not opposing, just making sure that it's really worth the effort.

1234qwer1234qwer4 renamed this task from Investigate ways to ease the marking and the deletion of translation units to Investigate ways to ease deletion tagging of translation unit pages.Jun 13 2021, 3:36 PM

This was sounding like it was about creating and removing translation units via Special:PageTranslation (while "marking", as in the title, for translation).