@Zppix: Instead of mediawiki.wikimedia.org, did you mean https://www.mediawiki.org?

mw.org seems to be a reserved address. And AFAIK, the WMF don't own it

mw.org is already registered*

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@Reedy maybe WMF could talk to ICANN? and @SamanthaNguyen Yes i did.

Since mediawiki is commonly abbrev'd as MW

I don't believe that...

@Aklapper I meant like if abbrev'd its usually as MW and seeing as enwiki has enwp.org, shouldnt mediawiki.org have mw.org?

We could speak to ICANN etc.

Though, we actively removed redirects after we forced HTTPS, as we'd need separate SSL certs (which cost money)... Or LetsEncrypt for production redirects (which we've not done yet)

For this reason we've not use any of the wiki TLD we were actually given

In T158490#3039269, @Aklapper wrote:

Since mediawiki is commonly abbrev'd as MW

I don't believe that...

It is fairly often; however it's mostly on IRC etc where we don't need to write the full thing, and we're probably just wanting a simple distinction between mw, wp, wmf et al (for people who know what's what anyway)

@Reedy can't we use selfsigned certs or use letsencrypt like you mentioned

In T158490#3039418, @Zppix wrote:

@Reedy can't we use selfsigned certs or use letsencrypt like you mentioned

Self signed definitely not, as that would require anyone that wanted to use it, to have it installed locally, or bypass the exception. Which doesn't really help.

The question is whether Ops et al are "happy" at using LE for this sort of thing

Okay, let's wait to see what the input from SRE is then well go from there.

MW is the country-code of Malawi (ISO 3166-1), so I find unlikely we would be allowed to use it.

In T158490#3039326, @Zppix wrote:

@Aklapper I meant like if abbrev'd its usually as MW and seeing as enwiki has enwp.org, shouldnt mediawiki.org have mw.org?

enwp.org is not owned by the WMF: https://www.namecheap.com/domains/whois/results.aspx?domain=enwp.org and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tl-lomas/enwp.org

In T158490#3039427, @Platonides wrote:

MW is the country-code of Malawi (ISO 3166-1), so I find unlikely we would be allowed to use it.

But its a .org domain therefore wouldnt a country use a tld such as .gov.mw or .mw or the similar

In T158490#3039567, @Matthewrbowker wrote:

In T158490#3039326, @Zppix wrote:

@Aklapper I meant like if abbrev'd its usually as MW and seeing as enwiki has enwp.org, shouldnt mediawiki.org have mw.org?

enwp.org is not owned by the WMF: https://www.namecheap.com/domains/whois/results.aspx?domain=enwp.org and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tl-lomas/enwp.org

I am aware of this.

One- and two-character .org domain names aren't available for general registration. See, for example, this press release from Public Interest Registry (the registry for the .org TLD) when they made 94 of them available for the first time: https://pir.org/org-releases-94-never-before-registered-one-and-two-character-domain-names/

We could petition Public Interest Registry to let us register mw.org, but they would be very resistant and we would have to make an extremely compelling case. I don't think "MW is often used as an abbreviation of MediaWiki" is going to be enough to convince them.

The good news is that no one else will likely be able to register mw.org, either, so it won't be used to cause confusion.

Even if we would be able to get it and wanted to use it, it would still be blocked on T133548.

Heh, I had this idea like 5 years ago but never felt like bothering to follow-up on it. Plus T133548

With the information @CRoslof provided I'm going to consider this task denied? Anyone disagree?

In T158490#3042854, @Zppix wrote:

In T158490#3039567, @Matthewrbowker wrote:

In T158490#3039326, @Zppix wrote:

@Aklapper I meant like if abbrev'd its usually as MW and seeing as enwiki has enwp.org, shouldnt mediawiki.org have mw.org?

enwp.org is not owned by the WMF: https://www.namecheap.com/domains/whois/results.aspx?domain=enwp.org and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tl-lomas/enwp.org

I am aware of this.

Excellent. Just making sure.

In T158490#3044907, @Zppix wrote:

With the information @CRoslof provided I'm going to consider this task denied? Anyone disagree?

I agree, doesn't appear to be reasonably actionable.

Having multiple URLs for the same content is also bad for "SEO" and we already have w.wiki as a generic URL shortener.