Enable VisualEditor by default for all users of the Dutch Wikipedia
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Requirement	Status
Option to switch between source and visual editing modes, w/o losing changes	✅
Prompt to choose between source and visual editing modes when opening the editor for the first time	✅
In preferences, option to opt-out of the visual editing mode, so only one edit tab is shown	✅
In preferences, option to make visual editing mode your preferred option.	Not needed per T161365#5849523
Clicking "Edit" should open the visual editing mode	✅
Clicking "Edit source" should open the source editor mode	✅
Anonymous users should be able to access visual editing mode in the same ways as logged in users (e.g. switching, two edit tabs)	✅
Visual editing mode should be available on article pages, and in the User, Wikipedia and Help namespace.	✅
Visual editing mode should NOT be available on discussion pages.	✅

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Related Gerrit Patches:

operations/mediawiki-config : master	[nlwiki] Enable VisualEditor in the Project namespace
operations/mediawiki-config : master	[nlwiki] Enable VisualEditor by default for all users

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Status	Assigned	Task
Open	None	T52000 Enable VisualEditor by default for all users of all Wikimedia wikis
Open	None	T51999 Enable VisualEditor by default for all users of all Wikipedias
Resolved	Whatamidoing-WMF	T161365 Enable VisualEditor by default for all users of the Dutch Wikipedia
Resolved	Esanders	T107745 Come up with an alternative to having multiple slugs (invitations to add a paragraph) next to each other that preserves editing capabilities

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Jdforrester-WMF created this task.Mar 25 2017, 3:20 AM

Jdforrester-WMF mentioned this in T159711: Enable visual editor on Dutch Wikipedia in User namespace and possibly Wikipedia namespace.

AdHuikeshoven updated the task description. (Show Details)Mar 25 2017, 3:59 PM

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Mbch331 created subtask T161408: Unneeded extra whitespace shown on some articles.Mar 25 2017, 4:45 PM

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Jdforrester-WMF edited subtasks, added: T107745: Come up with an alternative to having multiple slugs (invitations to add a paragraph) next to each other that preserves editing capabilities; removed: T161408: Unneeded extra whitespace shown on some articles.Mar 25 2017, 8:46 PM

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ppelberg closed subtask T107745: Come up with an alternative to having multiple slugs (invitations to add a paragraph) next to each other that preserves editing capabilities as Resolved.Jul 3 2019, 3:08 AM

Per https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Visuele_tekstverwerker/To_do

Change 566866 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jforrester; owner: Jforrester):
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] [nlwiki] Enable VisualEditor by default for all users

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/566866

gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.Jan 23 2020, 8:14 PM

Change 566866 merged by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] [nlwiki] Enable VisualEditor by default for all users

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/566866

ppelberg added a subscriber: ppelberg.Feb 4 2020, 12:04 AM

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2020-02-04T00:06:15Z] <jforrester@deploy1001> Synchronized dblists/visualeditor-nondefault.dblist: [nlwiki] Enable VisualEditor by default for all users T161365 (duration: 00m 58s)

Maintenance_bot removed a project: Patch-For-Review.Feb 4 2020, 12:10 AM

Bdijkstra added a subscriber: Bdijkstra.Feb 4 2020, 4:54 PM

Thank you for your help on this, @Jdforrester-WMF; I reviewed nl.wiki's requirements [1] and it seems there are two pieces of unexpected behavior and one behavior that we need more details about before we can test.

Unexpected behavior

In preferences, option to make visual editing mode your preferred option: ⚠️There doesn't seem to be an "Edit mode" dropdown in Preferences > Editing on nl.wiki as there is on en.wiki
Visual editing mode should be available on article pages, and in the User, Wikipedia and Help namespace: ⚠️Visual editing mode does not seem to be enabled in the Wikipedia namespace [2]

Behavior needing more details

Visual editing mode should NOT be available on consultation pages: Pending confirmation from @Whatamidoing-WMF

Full requirements [1]

Requirement	Status
Option to switch between source and visual editing modes, w/o losing changes	✅
Prompt to choose between source and visual editing modes when opening the editor for the first time	✅
In preferences, option to opt-out of the visual editing mode, so only one edit tab is shown	✅
In preferences, option to make visual editing mode your preferred option.	⚠️There doesn't seem to be an "Edit mode" dropdown in Preferences > Editing on nl.wiki as there is on en.wiki
Clicking "Edit" should open the visual editing mode	✅
Clicking "Edit source" should open the source editor mode	✅
Anonymous users should be able to access visual editing mode in the same ways as logged in users (e.g. switching, two edit tabs)	✅
Visual editing mode should be available on article pages, and in the User, Wikipedia and Help namespace.	⚠️Visual editing mode does not* seem to be enabled in the Wikipedia namespace [2]*
Visual editing mode should NOT be available on consultation pages.	Pending confirmation from @Whatamidoing-WMF

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Opinielokaal/Inschakelen_visuele_tekstverwerker
I'm not seeing two edit tabs enabled on this page: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Beginnetje. Note: I am logged in and the "Temporarily disable visual word processor as long as it is in beta" editing preference is disabled.

There isn't an "Edit mode" dropdown because it's not a https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Single_edit_tab wiki. We set those up for a while. It was okay-but-not-great, so the team put the project down for a bit, with the idea of getting back to it later/with the benefit of a little more distance/perspective/time to think it over. Nothing's happened since then.

The Dutch Wikipedia has the (older) system that's used at the German Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Einstellungen#mw-prefsection-editing

The community vote specified enabling it in the Wikipedia: (Project:) namespace, so that should be corrected. See also T164435 and T159711, which are older requests for that change.

It should not be enabled on discussion pages (e.g., Overleg_Wikipedia: or Project_talk:). This part of the config is already correct.

Change 570419 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jforrester; owner: Jforrester):
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] [nlwiki] Enable VisualEditor in the Project namespace

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/570419

gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.Feb 5 2020, 7:55 PM

Change 570419 merged by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] [nlwiki] Enable VisualEditor in the Project namespace

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/570419

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2020-02-06T23:22:42Z] <jforrester@deploy1001> Synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php: T159711 T161365 T164435 [nlwiki] Enable VisualEditor in the Project namespace (duration: 01m 08s)

Stashbot mentioned this in T164435: Enable visual editor for the Wikipedia namespace on nl.wikipedia.org.Feb 6 2020, 11:22 PM

Maintenance_bot removed a project: Patch-For-Review.Feb 7 2020, 12:10 AM

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ppelberg updated the task description. (Show Details)Feb 17 2020, 7:13 PM

ppelberg updated the task description. (Show Details)

In T161365#5849523, @Whatamidoing-WMF wrote:

There isn't an "Edit mode" dropdown because it's not a https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Single_edit_tab wiki. We set those up for a while. It was okay-but-not-great, so the team put the project down for a bit, with the idea of getting back to it later/with the benefit of a little more distance/perspective/time to think it over. Nothing's happened since then.
The Dutch Wikipedia has the (older) system that's used at the German Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Einstellungen#mw-prefsection-editing

Ah, understood. Thank you for clarifying, Sherry.

I've updated the task description to include, what I currently understand to be, the requirements the nl.wiki defined and whether those requirements have been met or not.

Next step

@Whatamidoing-WMF, can you please confirm whether the requirements and their corresponding statuses listed in the task description are accurate?

ppelberg assigned this task to Whatamidoing-WMF.Feb 17 2020, 7:18 PM

ppelberg added a project: Editing-team (Q3 2019-2020 Kanban Board).

ppelberg moved this task from Needs Discussion / Investigation to Blocked / Needs More Work on the Editing-team (Q3 2019-2020 Kanban Board) board.

The last few details have all been fixed. We're done.

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