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For Min Nan (Hokkien) language, there are two main writing systems, one Romanized scripts (Lô-má-jī) and one Chinese characters (Hàn-jī). Articles on Hokkien Wikipedia is now written in Lô-má-jī (on main namespace), and Hàn-jī articles can only be written in talk namespace. In order not to mix the Hàn-jī articles with the discussions, we need another new namespace called "Hàn-jī" for users who want to create and edit articles in Chinese characters.

We need the Hàn-jī namespace with same characteristics as the talk (thó-lūn) namespace. Each main namespace, category (lūi-pia̍t) namespace, wikipedia namespace, template (pang-bô͘) namespace, etc. should have a corresponding talk and hàn-jī namespace pages.

Requested name: Hàn-jī

Thanks

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Sunshine678 updated the task description. (Show Details)May 20 2017, 1:41 PM
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Hello @Sunshine678 Have spoken about this on-wiki ? Have you reached a consensus ?

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Sunshine678 updated the task description. (Show Details)May 20 2017, 4:11 PM
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@Framawiki this is not zh.wikipedia.org, see notation of that tag

Removing Community-consensus-needed as it seems this was posted on-wiki a week ago

Luuva added a comment.EditedMay 25 2017, 11:57 AM

It sounds like adding another "talk/discussion-like" namespace. It probably related to this discussion on Mediwiki. And may also includes parallel systems of Template and Category.

Perhaps just add a new "Hàn-jī" namespace if the original proposed request is too complex? And I think other namespaces such as Template and Category could be treated by adding new namespace aliases.

Sunshine678 updated the task description. (Show Details)May 25 2017, 12:23 PM

FWIW:

  1. Adding extra-however-useful "Category (talk)/Template (talk)..." namespaces for another script in same usage don't seem touchable to me, so in theory we could only add Hani translations for namespaces.
  2. Under any of resolutions, the Min Nan Wikipedia will turn into a multi-script Wikimedia site, and Wikidata will have a number of items that P31: Wikimedia permanent duplicated page.
  3. As a translatewiki.net user I should point that the de facto nan translations are mixed by Latin and Hani scripts, would those be splitted like T139010?

Community consensus on Min Nan Wikipedia has been made.

@Sunshine678 A link needs to be provided for confirmation.

Liuxinyu970226 added a comment.EditedJul 28 2017, 2:23 AM

@Sunshine678 A link needs to be provided for confirmation.

https://zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AChhiū-á-kha&type=revision&diff=1719295&oldid=1719293


but @Sunshine678 do you have time on this panorama?

As a translatewiki.net user I should point that the de facto nan translations are mixed by Latin and Hani scripts, would those be splitted like T139010?

Liuxinyu970226 added a comment.EditedJul 29 2017, 10:08 AM

@Liuxinyu970226
"Panorama"?


(By downloading and unzip) Those are .po files of TWN nan translations, which you can find some translations are in Hani script

Should you change those to Latin script, or should we split those to nan-hani one and nan-latn one?

Sunshine678 added a comment.EditedAug 2 2017, 2:31 AM

Maybe you should split it? I will discuss this with Luuva. But I think "nan-hanji" would be better than "nan-hani".

Maybe you should split it? I will discuss this with Luuva. But I think "nan-hanji" would be better than "nan-hani".

The hani is ISO 15924 of Hanji. 📦

Okay, I see.

Why still "blocked on community consensus"?

Luuva added a comment.Sep 2 2017, 7:44 AM

Maybe you should split it? I will discuss this with Luuva. But I think "nan-hanji" would be better than "nan-hani".

I would support the hani/latn splitting on the translatewiki since they have some different conventions on punctuations, loanwords, word formation etc.

cscott added a subscriber: cscott.Aug 28 2018, 4:54 PM

It would be interesting to explore the use of LanguageConverter for this wiki, as @Liuxinyu970226 suggests in T193366.

Urbanecm closed this task as Invalid.Jul 8 2019, 4:22 PM
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Closing as a cleanup, unprocessed config request change made almost a year ago. If this is still wanted, please reopen and present a fresh community consensus.

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