Create Wikiversity Hindi
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Description

The language committee has approved the creation of Wikiversity Hindi.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_Hindi

Language code: hi
Site URL: hi.wikiversity.org
Project name: विकिविद्यालय
Project namespace: विकिविद्यालय
Project talk namespace: विकिविद्यालय वार्ता
Project logo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikiversity-logo-hi.png
Timezone: Asia/Kolkata

Local file uploads: enabled
Transwiki sources: en.wikipedia, en.wikiversity, de.wikiversity, hi.wikipedia, hi.wikibooks

Additional namespaces:
Namespace in English - Namespace in Hindi - Namespace talk in English - Namespace talk in Hindi
Portal: प्रवेशद्वार: Portal_talk: प्रवेशद्वार_वार्ता:
School: विद्यालय: School_talk: विद्यालय_वार्ता:
Topic: विषय: Topic_talk: विषय_वार्ता:
Collection: संग्रह: Collection_talk: संग्रह_वार्ता:

Thank you.

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Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. · View Herald TranscriptSat, Jun 24, 1:58 AM
Dcljr added a subscriber: Dcljr.Sat, Jun 24, 2:11 AM
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MF-Warburg updated the task description. (Show Details)Sat, Jun 24, 2:13 AM
Jayprakash12345 triaged this task as High priority.EditedSat, Jun 24, 2:18 AM

Create this Wikiversity before 15 July. Beacause the Third Hindi WikiConference announced for on 15 July. See Grants:Project/Rapid/Hindi_WikiConference,_15-16_July_at_(Delhi). We are planning to make Short Outreach on there for newcomers.

Restricted Application added a subscriber: Dereckson. · View Herald TranscriptSat, Jun 24, 2:18 AM
Koavf added a subscriber: Koavf.EditedSat, Jun 24, 3:05 AM

Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84 subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of which are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर_ग्राफिक्स/2013-2014/पेज_फ़ुट which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories and erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/लिनक्स/linux-0.01.tar/boot/boot.s. Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates and pages like https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. The actual amount of content seems like something that one person could make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project? This seems like a misstep.

Jayprakash12345 added a comment.EditedSat, Jun 24, 3:32 AM

@Koavf Sir, See Here [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/States_of_Wikiversities]. We don't include Category. And By the way most of pages made basis on English Wikiversity. We Will Provide you interwiki.

Koavf added a comment.Sat, Jun 24, 4:55 AM

@Koavf Sir, See Here https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/States_of_Wikiversities. We don't include Category. And By the way most of pages made basis on English Wikiversity. We Will Provide you interwiki.

This proves my point: 500 pages in five and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code or one line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for disaster.

Mahir256 added a subscriber: Mahir256.EditedSat, Jun 24, 6:17 AM

@Koavf: I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text and the English loanwords in it. Your first link is to "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". Your second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only a link to a Japanese online IDE. Your third link (Computer Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to @Jayprakash12345's userpage--maybe it is his own email address?

The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least the lack of effort to even localize the comments in the code samples, and perhaps from seeing the lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving around those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the only consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree with your assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My personal opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource) could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I would digress to elaborate on that (and the whole process of site requests more generally) here.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_proposal_policy#Final_approval And https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Handbook_%28committee%29 , I am only see that Langcom have its own process. whats people thinks, whats him personal opinion are no matters. if any problem occurs then we should use its own Talk page. Please give up Decision for Langcom.

Your concerns are legitimate and there isn't any hurry to process this request.

Could you address them to the langcom mailing list? You can subscribe at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom.

Dereckson lowered the priority of this task from High to Low.Sat, Jun 24, 5:50 PM
Dereckson added a comment.EditedSat, Jun 24, 5:54 PM

Create this Wikiversity before 15 July. Beacause the Third Hindi WikiConference announced for on 15 July. See Grants:Project/Rapid/Hindi_WikiConference,_15-16_July_at_(Delhi). We are planning to make Short Outreach on there for newcomers.

Perhaps, but only if you ensure Koavf or someone else sends a mail to langcom this week-end or very soon next week, and langcom takes a decision about this issue. Please also prepare a plan B to do your event with betawikiversity, because langcom could decide this event could be helpful to judge if a community can be created, not the other way around.

If the concerns have been addressed by then, I'll be available Monday 12 to create the wiki.

[ Prioritizing this to ''low'': "normal" means this week, or the week after, and ''high'' at the one of the very next deployment windows available. Furthermore, to be able to prioritize this for your July 15 deadline, we really need the above concerns addressed. ]

Dereckson changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Sun, Jul 9, 10:05 PM

Discussions occurred end June and early July on the langcom mailing list, but a decision hasn't been reached yet.

Koavf added a comment.Sun, Jul 9, 10:35 PM

How can I ensure that the Committee sees my concerns? Posting to Meta, here, the mailing list?

How can I ensure that the Committee sees my concerns? Posting to Meta, here, the mailing list?

This task is watched by one of the Committie's members (@MF-Warburg). If you wish to contact the whole Committie, Meta (you can ping the members) or mailing list is probably the best.

Your message has successfully been sent to the list, and got some replies (two langcom members answered in the July archive).

I'll skip this wiki during the 2017-07-12 wiki creation deployment window, pending further discussions and consensus.

Thanks. I understand how this may be disappointing to some contributors but I am really concerned about the prospect of deploying something that is frankly not mature.

Ebe123 added a subscriber: Ebe123.Tue, Jul 18, 6:16 PM

@MF-Warburg Sir, Can you update us. This task already taked long time.

Urbanecm lowered the priority of this task from Low to Lowest.Thu, Jul 20, 12:00 PM

Before addressing concerns above we can't (and won't) do anything. Hence lowering the task's priority to Lowest.