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Problem on Dutch Wikipedia with "dodeurl=nee"
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When your bot finds an archived link (link beginning with https://web.archive.org), please fill in "nee" for the parameter "dodeurl". Your bot does this many times wrong. Filling in "ja" instead of "nee" every once in a while is no big deal, but filling in "nee" constantly is.

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https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3FM_Serious_Request_2009&diff=prev&oldid=49386029

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Restricted Application added a project: Internet-Archive. · View Herald TranscriptJul 4 2017, 3:32 PM

I'm actually confused here. Your first sentence is asking me to use "nee", but your third sentence states using "nee" all the time is a problem. Can you please clarify your intentions?

Smile4ever added a comment.EditedJul 4 2017, 4:56 PM

I'm actually confused here. Your first sentence is asking me to use "nee", but your third sentence states using "nee" all the time is a problem. Can you please clarify your intentions?

You use "nee" as a default, but you should use "ja" as a default.

Ah yes. I see what you mean, and I agree with you. This is clearly a bug in the new engine I developed in 1.4

Cyberpower678 closed this task as Declined.Jul 4 2017, 5:02 PM
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Cyberpower678 triaged this task as Normal priority.

Oops.

You use "nee" as a default, but you should use "ja" as a default.

@Smile4ever I'm actually more confused after your answer. I would imagine 'nee' (no) should be the default, when an archived link is present, but the link still works properly? Then, if a link is reported as 'dead', it should change to 'ja' (yes)?

Cyberpower678 closed this task as Resolved.Jul 12 2017, 3:13 AM

Fixed in v1.4.1

@Cyberpower678
What @Effeietsanders meant by his comment:

PREVENTIVE + ORIGINAL LINK IS ALIVE OR DEAD
If you add an archived link with the parameter "archiveurl" as a preventive measure (=the link is still up, but we add the archived link for use in the future), dodeurl should be "nee" because the original URL isn't dead.

NOT PREVENTIVE: ORIGINAL LINK IS DEAD (archive.org link found in plain reference or url parameter of cite template)
Currently, plain references including archive.org and cite templates including archive.org in the url parameter, should default to dodeurl=ja because 99,99% of the archived links in the Dutch Wikipedias is there because the original URL is dead.

When you find an archive.org link which is not in the archiefurl parameter, dodeurl should default to "yes" (because we assume the original URL is dead).

SUMMARY
So if you start adding archive URLs to references as a preventive measure, please refer to this explanation and use dodeurl=nee when the original link is still up. (and default to dodeurl=ja in all other cases).

This is already fixed.

@Cyberpower678
Yes, thank you for that.