Should we ping relevant communities according to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes ?

I made a ping to enwikibooks already: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Reading_room/Proposals#Cookbook_and_WikiJunior_namespaces_in_search_results

But not the others yet.

@TheDJ I made a note at VPP discussion saying that en.wikibooks search engine is fine. It's just that... that depends on how you search whatever term you enter.

enWS has been managing its namespace in this regard. We treat our default ns for search and content nss differently. As such our page: ns. is included in content, BUT not included in default search. Most users should be directed to our presentation workspaces main/author:/portal:/translation: nss rather than our workspaces of page:/index: where we do the bulk of our editing, and and formatting.

As affecting bnwikisource

@CKoerner_WMF: is there an easy way to reach out to all of the affected communities and see if they have thoughts on what should and shouldn't be excluded from default results? (For the purposes of this task, "ask Chris to do it" may count as easy enough.)

Easy? Well, I think I can see a way forward so in that sense it's easy. :)

It looks like we have a list of communities, and the question would be the same for each (with specific namespaces differing between projects). "Would you like <namespace> to be included in search results by default?".

If that understanding/assumption is correct, we can draft a message to ask the communities, get translations in pace, and post to the local Village Pump equivalent for discussion. For those communities that desire a change, file phab tasks to take care of the requests.

Does that sound agreeable?

Does that sound agreeable?

Works for me, if others agree.

Sounds good to me! @TJones do you want to take a stab at the initial message? :)

In T170473#3452849, @debt wrote:

Sounds good to me! @TJones do you want to take a stab at the initial message? :)

I don't know a ton about this ticket. I was just following up from the sprint planning meeting because it looked new to the backlog. So.... "not it".

😆

Super early draft: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Content_namespaces_search_discussion

I'll work on this more in the following week. Feedback and thoughts are welcome.

Thanks, @CKoerner_WMF. Looks quite reasonable. Curious what @TheDJ, @gh87, @Billinghurst, and maybe @Liuxinyu970226 think, since they seem to have more insight into the issue.

Seems ok to me.

@TJones We are still pending results from the RFC discussion that seemed to delay the T168697 (suppress results from Wikibooks in en.wp). As for other wikis, I won't object.

Update: The result of the discussion was "no consensus", defaulting to suppressing Wikibooks from en.wp's interwiki search results.

Another update: Somehow, the task to suppress was declined, and T171803 was made to reorganize the sister project snippets

Draft looks good, @CKoerner_WMF, thanks for writing it up!

I double checked and updated the draft with what I understand to be the list of wikis where we need this message and which namespaces to ask about.

It looks like bnwikisource is searching the 100 namespace. @TheDJ can you please confirm that I read your list/diff correctly?

I have asked the translators in our communities to help translate the message. Once I have translations (or a few days transpire) I will post to the affected communities asking what they would like to do.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Content_namespaces_search_discussion

Message sent to the affected wikis. Once I hear back from the community discussions I'll file separate tasks if changes are requested.

as.wikisource.org: https://as.wikisource.org/wiki/ৱিকিউৎস:সমজুৱা_পৃষ্ঠা#Adding_content_namespaces_to_search_results

en.wikibooks.org: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Reading_room/Proposals#Cookbook_and_WikiJunior_namespaces_in_search_results
(TheDJ handled this one)

fa.wikibooks.org: https://fa.wikibooks.org/wiki/ویکی%E2%80%8Cکتاب:میز_تحریر#Adding_content_namespaces_to_search_results

he.wikisource.org: https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/ויקיטקסט:מזנון#Adding_content_namespaces_to_search_results

hr.wikipedia.org: https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Kafić#Adding_content_namespaces_to_search_results

lt.wikipedia.org: https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedija:Forumas#Adding_content_namespaces_to_search_results

sr.wikibooks.org: https://sr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Викикњиге:Трг#Adding_content_namespaces_to_search_results

sr.wikisource.org: https://sr.wikisource.org/wiki/Викизворник:Писарница#Adding_content_namespaces_to_search_results

tr.wikibooks.org: https://tr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Vikikitap:Köy_çeşmesi#Adding_content_namespaces_to_search_results

he.wikisource and fa.wikibooks were the only two projects where any community members showed interest (along with English Wikibooks). Filing tasks for those and leaving the rest as they are.

https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/ויקיטקסט:מזנון#Adding_content_namespaces_to_search_results

https://fa.wikibooks.org/wiki/ویکی%E2%80%8Cکتاب:میز_تحریر#Adding_content_namespaces_to_search_results

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Reading_room/Proposals#Cookbook_and_WikiJunior_namespaces_in_search_results

@CKoerner_WMF , we didn't get any message in Bengali Wikisource.

@Bodhisattwa I skipped bn.wikisource because it looks like it is already searching the additional namespace (T170473#3495187). If you can confirm if that is true or not I would greatly appreciate the help. If I am wrong, I can post a message to the community for feedback and help get the change in place.

@CKoerner_WMF , I dont think, bn.wikisource is searching the 100 (লেখক) namespace by default (for example, the search result does not show this writer). Also, we need 106 (প্রবেশদ্বার) and 114 (অনুবাদ) namespaces to include in default search.

@Bodhisattwa Ok, it sounds like we should talk to the Bengali Wikisource community and get consensus. I have a post in English I can publish, but would much prefer a translation. Do you know of someone would could help me with that? :)

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Content_namespaces_search_discussion

In T170473#3651560, @CKoerner_WMF wrote:

@Bodhisattwa Ok, it sounds like we should talk to the Bengali Wikisource community and get consensus. I have a post in English I can publish, but would much prefer a translation. Do you know of someone would could help me with that? :)

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Content_namespaces_search_discussion

@CKoerner_(WMF) I could have done that but I am travelling. Please post the message in English, no problem with that.

Message posted! Once we get some feedback I will create a task to make the updates if needed. Thanks @Bodhisattwa for the feedback!

https://bn.wikisource.org/wiki/উইকিসংকলন:লিপিশালা#Adding_content_namespaces_to_search_results

With today's merging of the code for adding namespaces to Bengali Wikisource, I think we've done everything that the community has wanted us to do for this ticket and moving it to the done column.

Please review, @CKoerner_WMF, and let us know if you've heard of any other requests, as we're happy to assist! :)