Error messages shown when using default behaviour for PD artworks
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If a user uploads an image of an artwork and states that it is a "Faithful reproduction of a painting that is in the public domain", the Wizard applies

{{Pd-art}}

which gives an error, and must be changed to, say,

{{Pd-art-70}}

or:

{{Pd-art-100}}

We should not be exposing - often newbie - editors to error messages by default, when they use such tools.

Please change the Wizard, so that it guides the user towards making a valid choice.

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Pigsonthewing renamed this task from Error emssages shown when using defualt behaviour for PD artworks to Error messages shown when using defualt behaviour for PD artworks.Sep 13 2017, 1:59 PM
Pigsonthewing renamed this task from Error messages shown when using defualt behaviour for PD artworks to Error messages shown when using default behaviour for PD artworks.
Ramsey-WMF moved this task from Untriaged to Triaged on the Multimedia board.Sep 18 2017, 4:41 PM
Ramsey-WMF triaged this task as Normal priority.Sep 18 2017, 4:44 PM

This should be addressed as part of future work on "structured licenses" for the Structured Data on Commons project.

This should be addressed as part of future work on "structured licenses" for the Structured Data on Commons project.

We should not have to wait 2+ years for a fix.

This should be addressed as part of future work on "structured licenses" for the Structured Data on Commons project.

We should not have to wait 2+ years for a fix.

Agreed. To clarify, we're in discussions now about the actual launch schedule of various features for SDoC. Structured licenses could possibly come earlier than you expect (or exactly as you expect, we still don't know yet).

As for this issue specifically, there will inevitably be some template work we will have to do in preparation for structured licenses. That may be done and deployed much earlier than the actual release of the structured license feature.

In the near future we should know for sure where this particular issue fits. For now the problem we're trying to avoid is spending time on a proper fix then tossing all that work out for a whole new system a few months later. We're looking into it, and if we can address this problem quickly without creating more work for later efforts, we'll tackle it as soon as we have the resources available.

Thank you, @Ramsey-WMF, that makes sense.

But perhaps the fix is as simple as defaulting to the use of

{{Pd-art-70}}

instead of

{{Pd-art}}

(since anything that is PD-100 is also PD-700), and so "all that work" is not actually so much?

Ramsey-WMF reassigned this task from Ramsey-WMF to Cparle.Sep 25 2017, 4:32 PM

Having Cormac (dev) look at this and see if we can get an intermediate solution before structured licenses.

Change 381809 had a related patch set uploaded (by Cparle; owner: Cparle):
[mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard@master] Add default supplementary licence for PD-Art

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/381809

Cparle moved this task from Doing to Code Review on the Multimedia-Team-Working-Board board.EditedOct 3 2017, 2:22 PM

Added PD-old-70 licence to PD-Art licence by default, and changed msg displayed to user (removed old msg, added new one "Faithful reproduction of a painting where the artist died more than 70 years ago")

Waiting for feedback on this approach from @Ramsey-WMF

I confirmed the future feasibility of checking PD licenses against structured author death dates and I think we're good, so this can be a viable temporary solution. However, one additional thing I'd like at the end of the descriptive string is a "Learn more" link that points to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing#Material_in_the_public_domain

Also, I'd change the text in en.json to "Faithful reproduction of a painting in the public domain because the artist died more than 70 years ago"

Thanks.

RP88 added a subscriber: RP88.Oct 12 2017, 3:27 PM

Change 389970 had a related patch set uploaded (by Matthias Mullie; owner: Matthias Mullie):
[mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard@master] Add params to warning messages about present-day public domain uploads

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/389970

Change 381809 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard@master] Add default supplementary licence for PD-Art

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/381809

Change 389970 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard@master] Add params to warning messages about present-day public domain uploads

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/389970