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Allow users to restrict which user groups can edit their own user page, talk page and subpages thereof
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This ticket will track work related to building user preferences (or other tools) that allow users to select which usergroups can and cannot edit on their user page, user talk page, or subpages.


Wiki documentation
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative/Allow_users_to_restrict_which_user_groups_can_edit_their_own_user_page,_talk_page_and_subpages_thereof


See also: T165124: Allow users to restrict specific users from editing their own user talk page and subpages thereof

Event Timeline

I'm against this idea, as it undermines the wiki principle. Everyone should be able to reach other users on their talk page, this is a fundamental part of onwiki communication. I don't even think to "allow users to broadly prevent groups of users from interacting with them" is something we event want in a wiki!

E-Mail is a special case, it's a voluntary, private way of communicating that can be disabled by everyone if he wants to and isn't directly part of onwiki communication.

jrbs added a comment.EditedSep 19 2017, 10:01 PM

I'm against this idea, as it undermines the wiki principle. Everyone should be able to reach other users on their talk page, this is a fundamental part of onwiki communication. I don't even think to "allow users to broadly prevent groups of users from interacting with them" is something we event want in a wiki!

E-Mail is a special case, it's a voluntary, private way of communicating that can be disabled by everyone if he wants to and isn't directly part of onwiki communication.

Respectfully, Phabricator is not the place to debate this. The previous discussions leading to this task are numerous, and summarised on the Meta-Wiki page linked to in the description: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative/Allow_users_to_restrict_which_user_groups_can_edit_their_own_user_page,_talk_page_and_subpages_thereof#Current_ecosystem

Edit: See also (no pun intended) the "see also" section.

I'm against this idea, as it undermines the wiki principle. Everyone should be able to reach other users on their talk page, this is a fundamental part of onwiki communication. I don't even think to "allow users to broadly prevent groups of users from interacting with them" is something we event want in a wiki!

E-Mail is a special case, it's a voluntary, private way of communicating that can be disabled by everyone if he wants to and isn't directly part of onwiki communication.

I'm just stubbing this topic out now. This idea has been proposed by several people and my team has been witness to numerous occassions of harassment that could have been prevented by giving individual users the ability to protect themselves.

I do agree that user talk pages are different from user pages and direct emails. Each has different considerations.

As @jrbs pointed out, the best place to discuss is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative/Allow_users_to_restrict_which_user_groups_can_edit_their_own_user_page,_talk_page_and_subpages_thereof and its talk page. I'm still building out that draft page, so please give me a few hours to sanely organize all my notes. Thank you!

It's also important to note that by creating this ticket and on-wiki documentation we are not locked-in in build these tools. Rather, we are gathering our thoughts and creating spaces for debate and collaborative decision making. If discussion and research show that these tools will have more negative consequences than positive then my team will find alternative solutions.