Lift restriction on unregistered page creation in project space on enwiki
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Description

Author: wikipedia

Description:
This is a request from the WikiProject Articles for Creation to lift the restriction on creating pages by unregistered users for pages with the prefix "Wikipedia:Articles for creation\"

Background

*Currently unregistered users are prevented from creating pages in all subject spaces (i.e. non-talk pages).
*Articles for Creation (AfC) is a Wikipedia process for allowing unregistered users to submit articles. They are reviewed by experienced editors and, if suitable, created.
*AfC is currently using getting around the page creation restriction by putting new submissions in talk space. (All submissions have the prefix "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Submissions/".)

Rationale

*AfC is an important process as it allows unregistered users to participate fully in the project. Some editors do not want to register an account.
*The current process is abusing the namespace system. Article submissions should go into subject space; the talk page should be left for discussing the article.
*Sometimes orphaned talk pages are deleted in Wikipedia
*There is a bot (Sinebot) which signs all posts in talkspace. This is inappropriate here and there is not an easy way to exclude the bot.

Links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Proposed_new_entry_process
Discussion about the process


Version: unspecified
Severity: enhancement

bzimport set Reference to bz16642.
bzimport created this task.Via LegacyDec 14 2008, 9:53 AM
bzimport added a comment.Via ConduitDec 14 2008, 9:57 AM

wikipedia wrote:

It was once suggested to me by a developer that it would be simpler to derestrict the whole of the project namespace. I did propose this once on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT|VPT]. Although no one objected, only one other person took part in the discussion, so consensus can not be claimed. Therefore I make this request only for subpages of "Wikipedia:Articles for creation". Thanks.

bzimport added a comment.Via ConduitDec 14 2008, 3:36 PM

matthew.britton wrote:

I have long thought it ridiculous that anonymous users cannot list pages for deletion, so allowing them to create projectspace pages would solve that too.

Really, it would be better to lift the restriction for all namespaces except article namespace. Talk namespaces are already not subject to the restrictions, and I don't see a problem with allowing creation in the other namespaces.

As for "consensus", recall that the restriction on page creation in late 2005 was not a community decision in the first place, was only supposed to be a temporary, experimental measure, and was intended solely to limit the rate of article creation. I'm assuming it's only because of limitations in MediaWiki at that time (and possibly still now) that the restriction wasn't limited to the article namespace in the first place.

brion added a comment.Via ConduitDec 15 2008, 7:52 PM

Should be possible via $wgNamespaceRestrictions I think...

bzimport added a comment.Via ConduitDec 16 2008, 3:17 PM

wikipedia wrote:

I suspect you mean $wgNamespaceProtection ?

Earwig added a comment.Via ConduitAug 18 2009, 2:54 PM

(In reply to comment #4)

I suspect you mean $wgNamespaceProtection ?

Yes, that would appear to be the case. $wgNamespaceRestrictions does not exist.

(In reply to comment #3)

Should be possible via $wgNamespaceRestrictions I think...

(Assuming the above is true.) $wgNamespaceProtection is to prevent various user groups from editing a certain namespace, not from creating pages in it. This would not work, unless we could make some odd hack which I can't think of at the moment. For $wgGroupPermissions, currently the only two possible settings for creating pages are createpage and createtalk, no more specific. I might be mistaken, but this may require a more complex change.

Catrope added a comment.Via ConduitDec 12 2009, 4:35 PM

It is not technically possible to limit this to subpages or prefixes, only to namespaces. If you still want to lift the restriction on anonymous page creation in the Wikipedia: namespace, please reopen discussion and get a consensus (the original request had a discussion with two participants which took place over a year ago).

Catrope added a comment.Via ConduitDec 28 2009, 1:24 PM

Closing as INVALID for lack of a clear and recent consensus. Feel free to REOPEN if and when there's consensus for a clear and technically possible change, e.g. to lift the restriction on anonymous page creation in the Wikipedia: namespace.

Chad added a comment.Via ConduitDec 28 2009, 1:31 PM

(In reply to comment #6)

It is not technically possible to limit this to subpages or prefixes, only to
namespaces. If you still want to lift the restriction on anonymous page
creation in the Wikipedia: namespace, please reopen discussion and get a
consensus (the original request had a discussion with two participants which
took place over a year ago).

It's also not possible to customize 'createpage' or 'createtalk' on a per-namespace basis either. If you enable 'createpage' for anons, it applies to _all_ namespaces.

(In reply to comment #5)

(Assuming the above is true.) $wgNamespaceProtection is to prevent various user
groups from editing a certain namespace, not from creating pages in it. This
would not work, unless we could make some odd hack which I can't think of at
the moment. For $wgGroupPermissions, currently the only two possible settings
for creating pages are createpage and createtalk, no more specific. I might be
mistaken, but this may require a more complex change.

Not necessarily an odd hack (please no crappy hack patches!), but at least writing in a new feature we don't have yet :) But yes, this is correct in general.

(In reply to comment #7)

Closing as INVALID for lack of a clear and recent consensus. Feel free to
REOPEN if and when there's consensus for a clear and technically possible
change, e.g. to lift the restriction on anonymous page creation in the
Wikipedia: namespace.

INVALID due to lack of consensus, but also LATER as dependent on some yet-unfiled "make creation rights configurable per-namespace" bug.

bzimport added a comment.Via ConduitDec 28 2009, 1:34 PM

happy.melon.wiki wrote:

[[mw:Extension:Lockdown]] would be usable, if it will scale to enwiki. But I'm not sure if that's a road we want to go down.

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