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Deploy Page Assessments to Spanish Wikipedia
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They have WikiProjects, classifications and importance ratings. Even more appealing, the meta template seems super simple and easy to work with.

It appears some WikiProjects also may have a "theme", which might be similar to enwiki's "task forces".

Example talk page: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discusi%C3%B3n:Gases_nobles

Meta template: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:PR

Event Timeline

Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. · View Herald TranscriptMar 2 2018, 8:42 PM

@MarcoAurelio I forgot you're active on eswiki! He preguntado sobre esto, con español muy malo, en Plantilla discusión:PR. Would you mind chiming in? This is a pretty uncontroversial change, but we'd like to get a formal OK from someone. Gracias :)

@MusikAnimal Sure, I'll take a look there and will get back to you. Regards.

I have raised the issue on the Technical section of our Village Pump as per policy. Respecto a tu español, es mejor que mi inglés :)

@MarcoAurelio Do you think it's safe to move forward with deployment, or does the community need more time to discuss?

The thread has received one support so far and no objections. Let me poke that thread again and I'll let you know in a couple of days. I don't think there will be any objections but just to be sure. Thanks.

@Metronomo and Leoncastro asks on the VP the following questions:

  • what is this and how it works?
  • since we do not use the same system as enwiki uses, will that affect us in any way?
  • will something (internally or externally) change in how our Template:PR works?

Thanks.

@MarcoAurelio @Metronomo and Leoncastro, before I can answer your questions, I have a question for you...

I just looked at your featured article for today, and it is using Plantilla:Historia artículo. That template doesn't seem to use {{PR}} ? I was under the impression all assessment templates used PR.

So instead of {{Historia artículo|AD}}, I would expect {{PR|Historia|calidad=AD}}, or you could put the code {{PR|Historia|calidad={{{1|}}}}} inside Plantilla:Historia artículo. Does that make sense? Why isn't {{PR}} being used? Is "Historía" not considered a WikiProject?

I think PR is only used for Wikiproject assessments. Featured and Good articles use their own templates.

I think PR is only used for Wikiproject assessments. Featured and Good articles use their own templates.

So would you consider good/featured as an "assessment"? Similarly, would you consider Historia a "WikiProject"?

I ask because currently, Page Assessments would not store featured or good articles since they use a different template. Ideally we'd add the {{#assessment}} parser function in one place. So if you are OK with it, we might consider creating a new template, maybe Plantilla:Evaluación, that contains only the parser function. Then {{PR}} can transclude it, as would {{Historia artículo}} and others. Does that make sense? Is this a good idea?

Otherwise, we can proceed with only adding the parser function to {{PR}}. This won't hurt anything, only the data won't be complete. It's just odd because Sierra minera de Cartagena-La Unión is a featured article (and was on the Main Page), yet it doesn't have any {{PR}} evaluations.

Sorry I didn't notice featured and good articles had their own template, until now!

That'd require changing a lot of guides and the workflow of the people involved in GA/FA assessments and I doubt they'd agree with that. Sorry!

That'd require changing a lot of guides and the workflow of the people involved in GA/FA assessments and I doubt they'd agree with that. Sorry!

Certainly, we don't want to do that. But what if we changed the templates so that all of them would use the parser function? In the end, processes would not change, and there'd be no visible change, either. Just something to think about :)

As I said, we can just use {{PR}} for now, if you want. With that in mind, I'll now answer your questions:

what is this and how it works?

Hopefully the post at Plantilla discusión:PR answers this? I'll elaborate:

I think the best example of Page Assessments does is XTools. So for instance, see Jimbo Wales' articles on English Wikipedia. You'll notice there is an "Assessment" column. If you look at MarcoAurelio's articles on Spanish Wikipedia, the "Assessment" column isn't there, because Page Asssessments hasn't been deployed to Spanish Wikipedia yet. Page Assessments makes the article assessments machine-readable and available to bots, scripts, whatever you want. Another example is Pageviews Analysis (see the "Class" at the bottom of the right-hand column). This is not shown for Spanish articles. Other tools like WikiEd Dashboard also use Page Assessments.

The only thing that will change visually on-wiki is that there will be a new special page, Special:PageAssessments. I don't think this is used very much, though. The real benefit is how external tools will use the data.

since we do not use the same system as enwiki uses, will that affect us in any way?

Per above, if we make our change only to {{PR}}, nothing will change. Even if we updated {{Historia artículo}} and others to use the parser function, you still would not see any change to how things look or the processes you use. Updating {{Historia artículo}} will make for a slightly complicated rollout, but we're here to help you :)

will something (internally or externally) change in how our Template:PR works?

No, not in how the template works. The only thing is we'll add the {{#assessment}} parser function to the code, which will store the assessments in a database. Readers and users of the {{PR}} template will not notice this change or have to do anything different.

The discussion has developed to raise more and more questions that I cannot answer because I do not know the extension nor what it does. I feel that as of now I cannot say there's community consensus to enable this extension on eswiki unless those questions are answered. If it is too much work, I'd close this as declined for now.

MusikAnimal closed this task as Declined.Apr 7 2018, 9:11 PM

The discussion has developed to raise more and more questions that I cannot answer because I do not know the extension nor what it does. I feel that as of now I cannot say there's community consensus to enable this extension on eswiki unless those questions are answered. If it is too much work, I'd close this as declined for now.

Thanks. The biggest problem to me is that in your current setup, featured and good articles won't be included, which sort of defeats the purpose of Page Assessments. There are ways to make this work through some templating magic (T188778#4078904), but that's a little complicated.

I have tried to explain the issue on the discussion. Overall, I agree it sounds like this may not work. This feature after all is for your benefit, not mine, or XTools, or WMF :) So, I'm going to decline the task. I want to thank you for your time, and I apologize for the confusion! Kind regards