We have been discussing the implementation of Extension:LiquidThreads Extension:StructuredDiscussions in Basque Wikipedia, and there is agreement about it: https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Txokoa#LiquidThreads_gehitzea
Could it be installed?
Thanks!
| Status | Subtype | Assigned | Task | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Declined | None | T117990 Enable StructuredDiscussions on wikis that require it | |||
| Resolved | • Catrope | T190500 Enable Extension:StructuredDiscussions in Basque Wikipedia |
LiquidThreads are no longer deployed to any Wikimedia sites as per T21699: Deploy LiquidThreads extension when ready (tracking) and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads. I am afraid we won't be able to process this request.
The suposed alternative is StructuredDiscussions but I'd advice against it. My experience with that has been net negative, is full of issues and you cannot do much of what you can do with wikitext. It's euwiki call however to decide upon that (pero cuidado con los cantos de sirena acerca de las virtudes de flow, pues en mi opinión no tiene ninguna).
Well, we thought the name was LiquidThreads but not, you are right... we want StructuredDiscussions as other Wikis have. It seems easier for the discussion and new users will find it more engaging.
No changes in the StructuredDiscussions code base needed here, hence removing that project
Change 421606 had a related patch set uploaded (by Urbanecm; owner: Urbanecm):
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Enable Flow on euwiki
Please let me know before enabling the system on which pages you'd like to use it so I can discontinue the bot archiving there to avoid issues. Thanks!
I think most people was thinking about enabling it everywhere... but maybe this is a problem?
I don't think it's a problem. Maybe @Catrope knows better. You can enable Flow by default on some namespaces and you can also enable Flow on some specific pages. This can be configured now or later.
Ok! Let's configure it in Wikipedia, Wikiproject, Portal, Help and User namespaces. And if everything goes fine, it could be enabled later in articles and template namespace.
@Trizek-WMF Maybe you know how to solve this. As I was told by @MarcoAurelio, StructuredDiscussions should be set by Collab.
@Catrope should be able to explain you how to do this.
@Theklan, where have you been discussing enabling Flow on your wiki? I'm asking it to follow the guidelines and archiving those decisions in the rollout table.
Thanks!
That task will be triaged today, then you will know when the deployment can be done.
In the meantime, I advise you to translate the extension. For now, only 19% of Structured Discussions interface messages are in Euskara. I'll leave a message about that on your wiki. :)
@Urbanecm The patch you wrote is OK to deploy. I've scheduled it for deployment in tomorrow's European time SWAT (13:00 UTC).
However, your patch will only enable Flow, not make it the default for any namespaces. That's fine as a first step, but for the second step we'll need to add the namespaces @MarcoAurelio listed above to wmgFlowNamespaces in InitialiseSettings.php. I can do that if you like, but I wanted to give you a chance to do it first, since you assigned this task to yourself. If you want to do it and run into any issues, I'd be happy to help.
Before deploying it effectively, please wait to have more input concerning translations. Volunteers may need a bit more time for that.
Change 421606 merged by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Enable Flow on euwiki
Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2018-03-28T13:18:29Z] <catrope@tin> Synchronized dblists/flow.dblist: Enable Flow on euwiki (T190500) (duration: 01m 17s)
Sorry for missing this comment before I deployed this :(
Structured Discussions is now enabled, but not the default in any namespace yet, and there's no beta feature for users. Admins can create SD boards using Special:EnableStructuredDiscussions. So it's probably best if they only create a test board, and otherwise wait until translations are completed.
Thanks. Once they have translations in place and are generally happy with things, we can enable the beta feature and/or convert entire namespaces.
Yep, a test page for starters would be a good idea. @Theklan do you have in mind a page title we can use to test the feature there? Thanks.
https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berezi:EnableStructuredDiscussions is not working for admins on Basque Wikipedia. @Catrope, while you've doing the deployment there, can you check for it?
Change 425594 had a related patch set uploaded (by Catrope; owner: Catrope):
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Allow sysops to create Flow boards on euwiki
@Trizek-WMF This is because current configuration only allows sysops to do so either when a) Flow is a Beta opt-in feature and/or b) Flow is set in an entire namespace. The euwiki is not in any of those situations so the only solution is to grant them individually the permission.
Thanks for linking that bit of CommonSettings.php, I'd actually forgotten that was there :)
Change 425594 merged by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Allow sysops to create Flow boards on euwiki
Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2018-04-11T23:19:44Z] <dereckson@tin> Synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php: Allow sysops to create Flow boards on euwiki (T190500) (duration: 01m 17s)