Are you talking about piwik.wikimedia.org? If not, what's the address of the piwik you're trying to get access?

@fdans , yes, I'm talking about piwik.wikimedia.org.

We want to use piwiki's stats on our chapter website, and I wonder if instead of installing and maintaining our own piwiki's server, we can use the global one.

Thanks for clarifying @Itzike. The subdomain piwik.wikimedia.org is used only for analytics sites (like Wikistats). But @Milimetric mentioned yesterday that there is a community installation of Piwik that may be helpful for your usecase, so I'll let him respond with more info.

Rather than analytics sites, sites that we maintain. Agreed with recommendation of using piwik community instalation. You could install it on labs if it is not there yet.

I searched under tools (https://tools.wmflabs.org/admin/tools) and the only tool I found was this: https://tools.wmflabs.org/file-reuse-piwik/

If someone can install and manage this service, I'm sure many chapters and others movement-websites would be happy to use it. Especially some which use Google Analytics right now

I see, @Itzike, it does sound like the server we have might be the best place. It might not be able to support the traffic though, let me do some quick checking to see. Moving this task to an actionable place and I can't promise a fast response because we have lots of other priorities.

@Milimetric, I don't think traffic should be something we should worry about. I don't think that in general, the chapters' websites get a lot of traffic. This is why I don't think is valuable that each one of them will handle his own statistics services.
How much traffic do you think the current server can support?

Piwik (now called Matomo) actually doesn't handle too much traffic so even small sites are a problem for it. The chapter sites should still be ok on it. With our other priorities it will just take a long time before we can get to this task.

By the way, in the meantime have you seen https://stats.wikimedia.org/v2/#/il.wikimedia.org/reading/total-page-views ?

@Itzike would you consider installing piwik in a lab hosts and maintaning it yourself? My main concerns here are not so much priorities or traffic but rather access to our current install of piwik which is quite small and running on production infrastructure (which means that anyone trying to access the instance will need an NDA) this seems quite impractical (undoable really) for chapter sites.

My apologies. I incorrectly assumed that wikimedia.org.il was the same as il.wikimedia.org. Now that I understand the situation, @Nuria is right here: the best course of action is to deploy a separate instance of Piwik on a cloud instance and to use that. I will close this task as declined in this case.

Also, wikimedia.org.il is not a site hosted by WMF, again, I think your best option is an install of piwik on labs.

In T199046#4486794, @Nuria wrote:

@Itzike would you consider installing piwik in a lab hosts and maintaning it yourself? My main concerns here are not so much priorities or traffic but rather access to our current install of piwik which is quite small and running on production infrastructure (which means that anyone trying to access the instance will need an NDA) this seems quite impractical (undoable really) for chapter sites.

I'm not a labs admin, but I don't think that they would be happy to see lots of requests for the stats of an external website (not a lab one). We can imagine traffic and privacy problems.

@Framawiki: From what I know about our Wikimedia cloud, instances on there, and privacy policies, nothing would prevent you from hosting piwik and sending stats to it from a third party. We don't want to send data from our production cluster to a cloud instance, because it's less safe there than in production. But when folks host their own sites, our policies don't cover that data and its safety. Though, I do recommend being very careful with user data, and thinking twice or ten times before sending it anywhere.

In T199046#4491424, @Milimetric wrote:

@Framawiki: From what I know about our Wikimedia cloud, instances on there, and privacy policies, nothing would prevent you from hosting piwik and sending stats to it from a third party. We don't want to send data from our production cluster to a cloud instance, because it's less safe there than in production. But when folks host their own sites, our policies don't cover that data and its safety. Though, I do recommend being very careful with user data, and thinking twice or ten times before sending it anywhere.

Hello @Milimetric and thanks for this useful clarification.
It should also not be forgotten that the labs are not intended to be servers whose quality corresponds to production, as the name says. Both security and stability.

Thank you all. I tried to apply and ask for an access to run it from the Toolforge
https://toolsadmin.wikimedia.org/tools/membership/status/362

Let's see :)