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After discussion the team agreed to go with:

Hello, [USERNAME]!

Reasons for choosing the format:

  • it's more friendly
  • it's more welcoming
  • avoid using the possessive "Your" / "My" already in use in the title of various modules in the same page
  • easier to translate than using the possessive "[USERNAME]'s homepage"

We have also decided to add a light gray sentence under the title that reads: "This is your homepage, where you can find help with editing, get ideas of what to work on, and see the impact of your edits."

This image reflects the two changes described above:


As we have designed the homepage and its modules, we've been titling them individually, without thinking about how all the titles will look when they all exist.

At the time of the creation of this task, the page is titled "Your homepage", the impact module is titled "Your impact", the mentorship module is titled "Your mentor". This brings up at least two questions:

  1. Is it redundant to say "Your" in all these titles?
  2. Is saying "Your" better than saying "My", which might be a more common practice?

This task is for thinking about a unified naming schema.

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I did a bit of research and will post here my takeaways, comments and questions.

I reviewed the platform we analyzed in the comparative review for personalized user pages and dashboards (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1BW9yupK_ObonOVpadn4TGN8wHYAaNGEaz_aGISWbzZk/edit)
When referring to the Personal area of the platform:

  • 5 out of 10 platforms use the 1st possessive determiner "My" (eg. "My profile")
  • 5 out of 10 don't use any possessive (eg. "Profile")
  • none use the 2nd possessive determiner "Your" (eg. "Your profile")

When referring to user activity and/or actions in the personal area:

  • 1 out of 10 only uses the 1st possessive determiner "My" (eg. "My recent activity")
  • 2 ouf 10 use both the 1st and 3rd person (eg. "Pages I'm following" and "User Activity")
  • 4 out of 10 use the 2nd possessive determiner "Your" (eg. "96 Views of your photos")
  • 2 out of 10 don't use any possessive (eg. "Favorite activities")
  • 1 out of 10 uses both 1st and impersonal

Apart from what other platforms do (== what is common practice) I think it is also important to understand how Wikipedia talk to the user.
Generally speaking I have the feeling that Wikipedia uses

  • the 3rd person to refer to current personal areas:
    • "User page"
    • "User talk page"
    • "User contributions"
    • "No messages have been posted for this user yet"
  • the 2nd person when referring to activity and or actions:
    • "You have 1 page on your watchlist "

Question: You have more experience than me on Wikipedia, how do you feel Wikipedia is talking to you?

My comments:

  • it is true that we're using "Your" in the homepage a lot, and that could perceived overwhelming
  • I would use "Your" referring to activity and actions (eg. "Your impact") as it's common practice and it sounds very impersonal and potentially misleading to use the 3rd person or none at all
    • eg "[Username] impact" => detached
    • eg "Impact" => who's impact?
  • we could work on the homepage title
    • using the 1st person "My" would do the job, but I don't see it used on Wikipedia anywhere... How do you feel about it?
    • using the 3rd person, we already discussed the issue of the english possessive "'s" translation issues
    • using none (eg. "Homepage") could clash with the "User page" title => what's the difference?

Happy to know what the team thinks about this :)

I would use "Your" referring to activity and actions (eg. "Your impact") as it's common practice

It makes sense and it would be perfectly welcomed in that context.

using the 1st person "My" would do the job, but I don't see it used on Wikipedia anywhere... How do you feel about it?

We should go without any "my". We used to have "my user page", my "watchlist"... but it has been removed years ago. I don't remember the reasons because I was young at that time but I can ask.

Thanks for doing research on this, @Cntlsn. And thanks for weighing in, @Trizek-WMF.

@Cntlsn -- let's make sure to revisit this after we finish reviewing the live user tests. We might learn something from the videos on whether the language communicates things to the users.

@Cntlsn received an additional idea from the design team as a title for the page, that would incorporate the username, avoid grammatical issues, and still be clear:

Hello, [USERNAME]!

@Trizek-WMF (and others) -- what do you think of that?

Cntlsn added a comment.EditedMar 20 2019, 6:01 PM

After discussion the team agreed to go with:
Hello, [USERNAME]!

Reasons for choosing the format:

  • it's more friendly
  • it's more welcoming
  • avoid using the possessive "Your" / "My" already in use in the title of various modules in the same page
  • easier to translate than using the possessive "[USERNAME]'s homepage"

As far as "Hello" is documented as a greeting, I'm for it.

Context: some languages don't have a proper word to say hello, or it is a recent, not always used and accepted word. Breton is an example, where "Welcome " ("Degemer") would be more appropriate than the modern "Demat" ("Hello"). :p

MMiller_WMF updated the task description. (Show Details)Mar 20 2019, 11:30 PM
MMiller_WMF updated the task description. (Show Details)Mar 20 2019, 11:33 PM

This is ready for development.

Change 498293 had a related patch set uploaded (by Sbisson; owner: Sbisson):
[mediawiki/extensions/GrowthExperiments@master] Homepage: title and subtitle

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/498293

Change 498293 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/GrowthExperiments@master] Homepage: title and subtitle

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/498293

Change 498389 had a related patch set uploaded (by Sbisson; owner: Sbisson):
[mediawiki/extensions/GrowthExperiments@master] Simplify homepage subtitle

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/498389

Change 498389 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/GrowthExperiments@master] Simplify homepage subtitle

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/498389

@Cntlsn - moved to Design Review column for you to take a look.

(1) the grey text under the title - does it have enough contrast/font size?
(2) Are the questions about using 'your' vs 'my' in the module titles resolved?

(1) the grey text under the title - does it have enough contrast/font size?

@SBisson
font-size should be 14px
text color is > colorGray7

(2) Are the questions about using 'your' vs 'my' in the module titles resolved?

@Etonkovidova
yes!

Now that @Cntlsn has done his review, this should go back into In Progress for @SBisson to make the change about font size and color.

Change 501540 had a related patch set uploaded (by Sbisson; owner: Sbisson):
[mediawiki/extensions/GrowthExperiments@master] Homepage: adjust header style

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/501540

Change 501540 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/GrowthExperiments@master] Homepage: adjust header style

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/501540

Checked - all is in place.

Note the screenshot in the task description is out of date - the current title and the welcome sentence are in the screenshot below:

@Cntlsn @Etonkovidova -- I am finished testing this in Beta. The only issue I found is that the sentence under the title is aligned with the modules, not the title.

@Cntlsn -- if that's okay with you, please resolve this task.

@MMiller it has been fixed in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/506013
Resolving the task

Cntlsn closed this task as Resolved.Apr 24 2019, 9:33 AM