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Bulgarian Wikinews shows 66 content pages on Special:Statistics though there are more pages
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In the Bulgarian Wikinews, the page Special:Statistics shows incorrect count for "Content pages": 66 instead of well over 1000. Could someone help with this?

Thank you in advance!

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Restricted Application added subscribers: kerberizer, Aklapper. · View Herald TranscriptApr 7 2019, 1:54 PM
Ammarpad added a subscriber: Ammarpad.EditedApr 7 2019, 3:20 PM

I took a random sample of around 20 pages and I found they have no single internal link (wikilink); they are just plain text. Therefore this may not be an error. @Grigor_Gatchev are you aware that a content page is only counted if it contains at least one internal link? And can you confirm there are more than 66 pages in main namespace that contain such links?

Aklapper renamed this task from Wrong Special:Statistics info in Bulgarian-language Wikinews to Bulgarian Wikinews shows 66 content pages on Special:Statistics though there are more pages.Apr 7 2019, 3:28 PM
Aklapper changed the task status from Open to Stalled.

I took a random sample of around 20 pages and I found they have no single internal link (wikilink); they are just plain text. Therefore this may not be an error. @Grigor_Gatchev are you aware that a content page is only counted if it contains at least one internal link? And can you confirm there are more than 66 pages in main namespace that contain such links?

66 pages might be a realistic count for the pages with internal links there. News articles in a Wikinews would very rarely need to link to other news there - unlike eg. the articles in a Wikipedia, they do not form a topology of interconnected patterns, but are mostly unconnected samples from the reality event stream. So, counting only pages with internal links might be a wrong algorithm, in the context of a Wikinews site.

If you mean linking to other sites, eg. Wikipedia, that can be easily done on need by a bot, through a word-article matching algorithm. Do you think that it would be proper to do it?

Ammarpad changed the task status from Stalled to Open.EditedApr 8 2019, 5:28 AM

News articles in a Wikinews would very rarely need to link to other news there - unlike eg. the articles in a Wikipedia, they do not form a topology of interconnected patterns, but are mostly unconnected samples from the reality event stream. So, counting only pages with internal links might be a wrong algorithm, in the context of a Wikinews site.

This looks reasonable, but this task is not for changing the status quo. If you want change it, please open a separate task.

If you mean linking to other sites, eg. Wikipedia, that can be easily done on need by a bot, through a word-article matching algorithm.

I said internal link (aka wikilink). That's links within bg.wikinews that are made with four square brackets like [[Земя]]. Linking to Bulgarian Wikipedia requires use of 'interwiki link.'

Do you think that it would be proper to do it?

Well, only the local community can say whether it's proper or not.

Grigor_Gatchev added a comment.EditedApr 8 2019, 11:06 PM

News articles in a Wikinews would very rarely need to link to other news there - unlike eg. the articles in a Wikipedia, they do not form a topology of interconnected patterns, but are mostly unconnected samples from the reality event stream. So, counting only pages with internal links might be a wrong algorithm, in the context of a Wikinews site.

This looks reasonable, but this task is not for changing the status quo. If you want change it, please open a separate task.

Do you believe that such a change can be up for consideration at all? (If yes, I'd open a task, but if not, I'd rather avoid what would effectively amount to empty trolling.)

An editor told me something I had missed - the existence of a MediaWiki setting $wgArticleCountMethod. Should I request that for the Bulgarian-language Wikinews here, or the appropriate way is still as a request to the WMF stewards?

Thanks in advance

In T220299#5095845, @Grigor_Gatchev wrote:
Do you believe that such a change can be up for consideration at all? (If yes, I'd open a task, but if not, I'd rather avoid what would effectively amount to empty trolling.)

It will surely be considered, that's a valid request, but see below.

Ammarpad added a comment.EditedApr 11 2019, 8:05 PM

An editor told me something I had missed - the existence of a MediaWiki setting $wgArticleCountMethod. Should I request that for the Bulgarian-language Wikinews here, or the appropriate way is still as a request to the WMF stewards?

Yes, that's an alternative. You've to open a bug report here on phabricator. See example of similar request: T216333. However as this is a site configuration change, normally consensus of local community is required. So you should open such discussion and then link to it in the request.

Yes, that's an alternative. You've to open a bug report here on phabricator. See example of similar request: T216333. However as this is a site configuration change, normally consensus of local community is required. So you should open such discussion and then link to it in the request.

Thank you for the instruction. I will proceed with that immediately.

Ammarpad closed this task as Invalid.Apr 13 2019, 4:20 AM

Thank you too.