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Comments should be more apparent when viewing the Space blog
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It is not easily apparent that you can leave comments when viewing the feed of articles at space.wmflabs.org. The length of the front page is rather long. This component is important to community participation.

There are options to improve this.

  • Make a few comments appear after each entry (which would make the page longer and break up the "news"
  • Show only a percentage of an article, then comments (to decrease the length of the page and encourage reading)
  • other ideas!

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Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. · View Herald TranscriptJul 2 2019, 5:11 PM

Make a few comments appear after each entry (which would make the page longer and break up the "news"

Maybe instead of showing the actual comments, just make the number of comments more prominent. Right now that is placed above the heading near the date and author (which is easy to ignore), you could move "# comments" to below the text preview of the article.

Show only a percentage of an article, then comments (to decrease the length of the page and encourage reading)

Probably it's better to do first x words or characters, as percentage would vary with article length.
Short previews also make it easier to scroll through, once you have a lot of articles.

I think wmf.org news section is a good example that works well to show a variety of content and make it look inviting.
I will add more examples I find them.

Qgil triaged this task as Low priority.Jul 5 2019, 8:58 AM
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I agree that wmf.org news section works well... for now.

I think that this task can only be solved properly when we have an idea abut the homepage we want to have. Note that space.wmflabs.org is the main page for the whole space, not just the Blog. In the current main page it is not easily apparent that you can leave comments... but it is even less apparent that there is an entire forum for discussion and collaboration.

Should we discuss the main page first?

Qgil moved this task from Inbox to Jul-Sep-2019 on the Space board.Jul 5 2019, 9:15 AM
Qgil edited projects, added Space (Jul-Sep-2019); removed Space.
Qgil assigned this task to hdothiduc.Jul 5 2019, 9:48 AM
Tgr added a subscriber: Tgr.Jul 5 2019, 9:53 AM

The WMF news section is entirely readonly, so not the best example of how to invite users to participate.

OTOH one might want be wary about people using comment sections as soapboxes (especially if they appear on the main page). E.g. some of the Wikipediocrcacy crowd exploited that pretty regularly against the old WMF blog. To avoid that, 1) there needs to be sufficient community involvement so that the soapboxers aren't the only ones who participate (ie. the new space must take off), 2) there needs to be some kind of intelligent community-based filtering (showing the best comments as opposed to merely the first ones).

Qgil added a comment.Jul 5 2019, 10:05 AM

I agree that blog posts comments shouldn't appear in the main page. The number of comments of each blog post, sure.

there needs to be some kind of intelligent community-based filtering (showing the best comments as opposed to merely the first ones).

At the end of https://space.wmflabs.org there are already two blocks offering a selection of Recent and Top comments where some automatic filtering is applied, based on popularity. Now, "popularity" isn't always a reliable criteria for surfacing good comments, but at least it is better than showing just latest comments as they come.

In an article page, Discourse offers many options to fine tune the selection of comments to be displayed:

Max Visible Comments - Maximum number of comments to display. To display a link to the Discourse topic, without displaying comments on WordPress, set 'max visible comments' to 0.
Min Number of Replies - Minimum replies required prior to pulling comments across.
Min Score of Posts - Minimum score required prior to pulling comments across (score = 15 points per like, 5 per reply, 5 per incoming link, 0.2 per read.)
Min Trust Level - Minimum Discourse user trust level required for comments that are pulled to WordPress. (Trust levels range between 0 and 5.)
Bypass Trust Level Score - Bypass trust level check on posts with this score.
Only Import Moderator-Liked - Only import comments 'liked' by a Discourse moderator.

Qgil added a comment.Jul 16 2019, 7:45 AM
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