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Sunset Nearby
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For numerous reasons - most prominently, low usage not justifying the maintenance overheads - it is time to sunset Nearby.

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Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. · View Herald TranscriptJul 22 2019, 2:11 PM
Charlotte updated the task description. (Show Details)Jul 22 2019, 3:39 PM

@Johan We will need some community engagement assistance on this one.

Charlotte set the point value for this task to 1.Jul 22 2019, 4:12 PM
Charlotte renamed this task from Remove Nearby to Sunset Nearby.Jul 22 2019, 4:56 PM
Johan added a comment.Jul 22 2019, 5:14 PM

For community communication outside of the app, this should be fairly easy, something like this:

  • Mentioning it in Tech News.
  • Posting on update in the documentation.

Potentially one would want to mention it in the app as well?

TheDJ awarded a token.Jul 23 2019, 7:30 AM

To refresh my memory, I thought about the reasons why we’re removing the “Nearby” feature in the first place. Also, I think it’ll be crucial to communicate this change as transparent and clearly as possible to the community:

  • Our main design and development focus in FY 18/19 is to encourage Android app users to start editing by presenting them with more opportunities to make micro-contributions.
  • To improve “Nearby” in a satisfying way it would take up too much of our resources at this point. The feature in its current state does not live up to our expectation of delivering highly usable products.
  • Bandwidth usage when downloading/updating the app: Nearby, respectively the “Open Street Maps” component by itself takes up XX percentage the app’s size (@Dbrant, could you provide details here? Thanks). As the app’s used a lot in areas where internet connectivity is limited and speed is low, we’ll make downloading/updating more accessible by removing the feature.
  • And last but not least, the usage of “Nearby” has been very low. Only 0.03% of all app users are using the feature. Here’s the stat that Dmitry pulled a while ago. (Could you provide some more details about the time period of this data too @Dbrant? Thanks.)

Did I forget something @Charlotte? And thanks for the support here @Johan, it’s very appreciated!

This is one of those times when I think a less elaborate argument would actually be more suitable and realistic. While everything you mention is true, @schoenbaechler, the very, very tiny minority of people who care about Nearby will likely not be satisfied with the argument that updating it will take too many resources away from editing (which they may not use or care about). Since they presently use and enjoy Nearby, they will also presumably not care that we have no plans to improve it in the future. So the final argument - the fact that Nearby only represents 0.03% of pageviews, and it is not worth it for us to maintain - is really the most salient one.

I will update the documentation to reflect the fact that the feature is being sunset, and then we can link it from Tech News.

TheDJ added a subscriber: TheDJ.Jul 26 2019, 8:47 AM

Low usage is a terrible metric to remove features. Valuable usage is what matters. For instance, from a 'global' perspective most Sysop gadgets are never used.. but removing them would break many workflows for admins which in turn affects everyone.

Personally I think that part of what is wrong with Nearby is that it is not what i care about generally. I hardly ever stand at a spot and think "i wonder what WP has around me" (not even as an editor). Now "where is this item and what is around it, and oh look pretty pictures" is a different story.

Low usage is a terrible metric to remove features. Valuable usage is what matters. For instance, from a 'global' perspective most Sysop gadgets are never used.. but removing them would break many workflows for admins which in turn affects everyone.

In this case we're speaking about an end-user feature that was meant to attract casual browsers, and for such end-user features, usage is an important metric. (Sysop gadgets are another case entirely, and subject to another set of considerations, as you mention.) In the case of Nearby, the very low usage that we see (0.03% of pageviews through the app) is an indication of precisely what you are saying - that the feature is not something that users care about, generally. So I think we are in agreement. :)