Edit conflict with section=new
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	Aug 5 2019, 1:57 PM

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Currently submitting an edit after an intervening new section (&section=new) in many cases results in edit conflict. Even for a section edit where two chunks have zero overlap. IMHO when the current edit form is section=something, then it is safe enough to proceed with the edit without conflicting with the new section. The only necessary precaution results from the possibility that the thing added with section=new does not necessarily begin from a valid =…= heading.

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If anybody is interested, Ī̲ can formulate a more stringent criterion for saving the section=something edit, which avoids some of remaining loopholes for unintended effects.

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Mentioned Here: T59264: self-conflict when editing huge pages
T43338: Reduce edit conflicts by either telling users to edit a section only, or to have better logic to treat paragraphs, categories, templates independently
T49438: Creating new section may overwrite edit to another section
T55446: Edit conflicts for editing different sections on popular article

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Incnis_Mrsi created this task.Aug 5 2019, 1:57 PM

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This sounds like a duplicate of T43338? Which code areas did you investigate?
Also see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T49438 or https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55446.

Kizule moved this task from Backlog to Edit conflict on the MediaWiki-Page-editing board.Aug 31 2019, 10:42 AM

@Incnis_Mrsi: Could you please answer the last comment? Thanks!

In T229823#5393033, @Aklapper wrote:

This sounds like a duplicate of T43338?

“paragraphs, categories, templates…” – no way, Ī̲ don’t propose to fit MediaWiki with AI. Only several checks based on a dumb (sub)section tree-like model of the page.

Which code areas did you investigate?

MediaWiki code? Did not look there at all.

Also see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T49438

Marginally tangential. As stated, “my” problem is about an extant-section edit submitted after an intervening section=new. Not about a new-section edit which corrupts data on its immediate saving – that might be a bug, but don’t blame me for it.

or https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55446.

Low specificity. Again, “my” problem is about intervening section=new edits, not edit conflicts in general.

Aklapper closed this task as a duplicate of T59264: self-conflict when editing huge pages.Oct 12 2019, 2:58 PM

And this, of course, is not a duplicate of T59264.

"And this, of course, is a duplicate of T59264."

And "of course" that previous sentence that I just wrote is not too helpful, as it offers zero argumentation.
An argumentation should pick up some existing sentences and refer to them. I have no idea why stuff like "AI" was even mentioned in a previous comment.
It's also not too helpful to argue about code logic when not having looked at any code at all.

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