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Expose Traditional Chinese variant in addition to Simplified Chinese for services supporting it
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Some translation services support two variants of Chinese (zh): Simplified Chinese (zho_Hans) and Traditional Chinese (zho_Hant). However in Content Translation only one variant is exposed for a given service when translating to Chinese Wikipedia.

Currently:

  • Google Translate supports both variants. However, in Content translation, only Simplified Chinese is exposed.
  • NLLB-200 supports both variants. However, in Content Translation only Traditional Chinese is exposed (see mapping in MinT.

This ticket proposes to expose both variants for those engines that support them, allowing users to choose their preferred one. We need to consider the technical aspects to expose the variant but also how to present it to users.

We may want to check other other services/models from those we support) to identify similar cases.

This ticket was created based on the user comments in this conversation

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Pginer-WMF created this task.Dec 9 2019, 8:36 AM
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Pginer-WMF triaged this task as Medium priority.Dec 9 2019, 8:37 AM
Pginer-WMF updated the task description. (Show Details)
Pginer-WMF added a project: Language-Team (Language-2019-October-December).
Shizhao added a project: Chinese-Sites.Dec 10 2019, 2:28 AM
Shizhao moved this task from Backlog to Extensions/Skins on the Chinese-Sites board.Dec 10 2019, 2:32 AM
Pginer-WMF edited projects, added Language-Team (Language-2020-January-March); removed Language-Team (Language-2019-October-December).Dec 12 2019, 11:59 AM
Pginer-WMF moved this task from Needs Triage to Enhancements on the ContentTranslation board.
VulpesVulpes825 subscribed.Feb 14 2020, 5:13 AM

I think the problem is not about exposing Traditional Chinese in addition to Simplified Chinese. Currently, Wikipedia only allow zh, which is a good things since split the two like on translatewiki.net stress out maintenances for maintaining two variants. When you finish translating and go back to the translated version, the LanguageConverter will do its job and convert to the variant the user wanted on Wikipedia sites. The problem is the LanguageConverter is not part of the parsoid, and all the application uses parsoid are not supporting LanguageConverter (Flow and translate). Exposing it as another language is a BAD idea. But letting user choose a variant in Content Translation and let the current LanguageConverter do its job is the GOOD one.

Quiddity unsubscribed.Feb 14 2020, 6:49 PM
VulpesVulpes825 added a parent task: T199523: Expose Machine Translation services supporting Chinese to closer languages/variants.Feb 21 2020, 11:39 PM
SunAfterRain subscribed.Mar 10 2020, 10:21 AM
SunAfterRain added a comment.Mar 10 2020, 10:27 AM

Maybe we can add a <select> on Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal-i18n

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Nikerabbit merged a task: T213640: Cannot select Traditional Chinese in Content Translation.Dec 19 2022, 11:42 AM
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Pginer-WMF edited projects, added Language-Team (Language-2023-July-September); removed Language-Team (Language-2020-January-March).Jul 25 2023, 2:38 PM
Pginer-WMF added a project: MinT.Jul 25 2023, 2:52 PM
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Pginer-WMF moved this task from Quarter Backlog to Priority: Translation on the Language-Team (Language-2023-July-September) board.Aug 1 2023, 11:41 AM
UOzurumba subscribed.Sep 10 2023, 9:56 PM
Pginer-WMF moved this task from Backlog to Adding languages on the MinT board.Sep 25 2023, 11:26 AM
Pginer-WMF edited projects, added Language-Team (Language-2023-October-December); removed Language-Team (Language-2023-July-September).Oct 2 2023, 9:02 AM
Pginer-WMF moved this task from Quarter Backlog to Priority: Translation on the Language-Team (Language-2023-October-December) board.
Winston_Sung added a parent task: T349051: Script code should be explicitly specified for multi-script Sinitic languages.Oct 17 2023, 3:42 AM
Pginer-WMF mentioned this in T342745: MinT has ambiguous language code "zh" as output language, which is used for the mix-script language converter.Nov 30 2023, 1:13 PM
Pginer-WMF edited projects, added Language-Team (Language-2024-January-March); removed Language-Team (Language-2023-October-December).Jan 8 2024, 10:39 AM
Pginer-WMF moved this task from Quarter Backlog to Priority: Translation on the Language-Team (Language-2024-January-March) board.
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Pginer-WMF edited projects, added Language-Team (Language-2024-April-June); removed Language-Team (Language-2024-January-March).Apr 2 2024, 3:28 PM
Pginer-WMF moved this task from Quarter Backlog to Priority: Translation on the Language-Team (Language-2024-April-June) board.
Pginer-WMF edited projects, added LPL Essential; removed Language-Team (Language-2024-April-June).Jul 3 2024, 9:11 AM
Nikerabbit edited projects, added CXServer; removed LPL Essential.Jul 3 2025, 11:39 AM
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