In T268203#6632816, @Aklapper wrote:

Hi @Kaleem_Bhatti, thanks for taking the time to report this! Unfortunately this lacks some information.
Please follow https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug and provide:

• a clear and complete list of exact steps to reproduce the situation, step by step, so that nobody needs to guess or interpret how you performed each step,
• what happens after performing these steps to reproduce,
• what you expected to happen instead,
• a full link to a web address where the issue can be seen.

You can edit the task description by clicking Edit Task. Ideally, a good description should allow any other person to follow these steps (without having to interpret steps) and see the same results. Problems that others can reproduce can get fixed faster. Thanks again!

Hi @Aklapper I has found numbers showing in history of any page that is not in English this is simple https://sd.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B5:%DA%80%D8%A7%DA%B1%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%86/KaleemBot please check numbers thats not showing in english

Hi @Kaleem_Bhatti, thanks for the reply. I still have no idea what exactly is wrong, and what exactly you expect to be shown instead.

• Please provide the text (as text, here!) that is wrong.
• Please provide the text (as text, here!) that you want to see instead.

Please always follow https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug - Thanks a lot! :)

Hi @Aklapper I has marked in this image these numbers not showing in english numbers

@Kaleem_Bhatti: Same on https://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/خاص:ڀاڱيداريون/KaleemBot , so this is not mobile specific.

If I understand your first comment correctly, you see Sindhi numerals on Sindhi Wikipedia. Why should you not see Sindhi numerals when you are on Sindhi Wikipedia? Why do you expect Arabic numerals?

So this is a report about the 'size of diffs' of revisions as shown in the history of an article, using the Mobile web interface.

@Kaleem_Bhatti reports that he sees Sindhi number notation.. He implies that he expects to see English number notation. He has not made clear why he has this expectation. The format mirrors the behavior of the desktop version of the website and it is our custom to always use local number notation in any language and we do so in other areas of the page.. If he wants English, he can switch the entire user interface of that specific wikipedia, from the preferences of the desktop version, and everything (other than the article content) would be using English.

In T268203#6647965, @TheDJ wrote:

So this is a report about the 'size of diffs' of revisions as shown in the history of an article, using the Mobile web interface.

@Kaleem_Bhatti reports that he sees Sindhi number notation.. He implies that he expects to see English number notation. He has not made clear why he has this expectation. The format mirrors the behavior of the desktop version of the website and it is our custom to always use local number notation in any language and we do so in other areas of the page.. If he wants English, he can switch the entire user interface of that specific wikipedia, from the preferences of the desktop version, and everything (other than the article content) would be using English.

Actually problem is that Perso-Arabic-Sindhi numerals (i.e. ۰, ۱, ۲, ۳ and so on) which are showing everywhere on Sindhi Wikipedia (recent changes, article sections numbering) are too small to view and these numerals ( ۱, ۲, ۳) are not widely used nowadays, so we prefer to see English/Roman numerals (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and so on) every where on entire Sindhi Wikipedia (i.e. recent changes, articles section numbering).

In T268203#6652051, @Aklapper wrote:

Thanks. (For future reference, please upload images here instead of third-party websites which might go down at some point.)

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F33926586
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F33926594

Hi @Aklapper progress

@Kaleem_Bhatti : If you wanted to express something, then please elaborate. If you have a specific question, then feel free to ask a question (which usually ends with a question mark). For general info, see also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Development_prioritization . Thanks.

Please anyone solve this issue we are disturbing a lot with these numerals

Hi @Kaleem_Bhatti, please see and follow https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_site_requests (section "Convert digits (numbers) into a different script"), if you or someone else would like to see progress here, and provide a software configuration change.
Maybe https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Small_wiki_toolkits could also help. Thanks!

Also, I can imagine that this falls under https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes . So linking to a community consensus would be welcome.

Requested on meta wiki "Requesting wiki configuration changes" https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes#Request_for_English_numbering_on_Sindhi_Wikipedia

@Jogi_don: You need to ask for community consensus on Sindhi Wikipedia, not on a talk page on meta

In T268203#7197181, @Aklapper wrote:

@Jogi_don: You need to ask for community consensus on Sindhi Wikipedia, not on a talk page on meta

here is [https://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%85/%D8%AA%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%B2%D9%88%D9%86#%D8%B3%D9%86%DA%8C%D9%8A_%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7_%D8%AA%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%84%D8%B4_%DB%BE_%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%8E_%D9%84%DA%B3%D8%A7%D8%A6%DA%BB_%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1%D9%90_%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1%D9%90_For_English_numbering_on_Sindhi_Wiki Community consensus page link]

still not resolved...

@Jogi_don: If you like to see this fixed sooner, please feel free to contribute a patch. See https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_site_requests and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_site_requests#Convert_digits_(numbers)_into_a_different_script - thanks.

In T268203#7474695, @Aklapper wrote:

@Jogi_don: If you like to see this fixed sooner, please feel free to contribute a patch. See https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_site_requests and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_site_requests#Convert_digits_(numbers)_into_a_different_script - thanks.

I can't login there on both of these , there is no option for login via Unified login Special:CentralAuth

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Wkj2rbii9qi394pl

I changed the title of this bug to give a more clear technical summary.

One thing that's unclear here: Are the 0123456789 digits prefered generally in this language or is this change just for wikipedia. That is - should the general mediawiki localization be changed for all wikis with the sd language including non-wikimedia wikis, or is this a wikipedia-only override?

Huh that's weird.

sd language has no digitTransformTable set. It also has no fallback language set (I guess fallback to english)

Oh i see, we now use NumberFormatter (backed by CLDR data - https://github.com/unicode-org/cldr/blob/main/common/main/sd.xml#L4810 ) if digitTransformTable is not set.

You may want to also consider filing a bug at https://cldr.unicode.org/index/bug-reports

In addition to the actual digits, should the thousands separator continue to be ٬ or should it be a comma , like in english?

Similarly, should the decimal point be a ٫ like in arabic, a period like in english . or a comma , like in lots of european countries, or something else?

I'm going to assume that you want , for thousands and period for decimal like english, but please confirm.

Change 739697 had a related patch set uploaded (by Brian Wolff; author: Brian Wolff):

[mediawiki/core@master] Use english style decimals not arbic style for sd language

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/739697

@Jogi_don: There is no reason to log in on those wikis. I asked to follow the instructions on those links.

Bug reported on CLDR
https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/CLDR-15200

In T268203#7512219, @Bawolff wrote:

I changed the title of this bug to give a more clear technical summary.

One thing that's unclear here: Are the 0123456789 digits prefered generally in this language or is this change just for wikipedia. That is - should the general mediawiki localization be changed for all wikis with the sd language including non-wikimedia wikis, or is this a wikipedia-only override?

obviously 0123456789 digits are preferred than Arabic digits ۰۱۲۳٤٥٦۷۸۹ not only on Sindhi Wikipedia but in daily usage in Sindh, Pakistan by people. And these ۰۱۲۳٤٥٦۷۸۹ digits are not commonly used and looks too small on the sdwiki to comprehend. So we've gone through the consensus on sdwiki and requested to replace ۰۱۲۳٤٥٦۷۸۹ with 0123456789 on entire site.

In T268203#7512360, @Bawolff wrote:

Oh i see, we now use NumberFormatter (backed by CLDR data - https://github.com/unicode-org/cldr/blob/main/common/main/sd.xml#L4810 ) if digitTransformTable is not set.

You may want to also consider filing a bug at https://cldr.unicode.org/index/bug-reports

data for sd in this xml file is precise https://github.com/unicode-org/cldr/blob/main/common/main/sd.xml#L4810

It looks like https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/CLDR-15200 was filed, but that might not explain what the request has to do with Sindhi Wikipedia.

In T268203#7532586, @Aklapper wrote:

It looks like https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/CLDR-15200 was filed, but that might not explain what the request has to do with Sindhi Wikipedia.

now, what you'll suggest to request at CLDR

I'd request changing defaultNumberingSystem from arab to latn for Sindhi language (sd), as that's the request if I get it right. I don't think that the Unicode Consortium cares about "Arabic numerals on some website" specifically and that's what the title currently says. :)

In T268203#7536928, @Aklapper wrote:

I'd request changing defaultNumberingSystem from arab to latn for Sindhi language (sd), as that's the request if I get it right. I don't think that the Unicode Consortium cares about "Arabic numerals on some website" specifically and that's what the title currently says. :)

Thanks I have changed CLDR Request title accordingly.

We're Still waiting for this request to be accomplished and problem be resolved.

See the comments in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/739697/ what needs to be sorted out (by you or anyone else interested)

Ive created a separate ticket of Niklas' review comment.

Change 739697 abandoned by Brian Wolff:

[mediawiki/core@master] Use english style decimals not arabic style for sd language

Reason:

sorry, not working on this anymore

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/739697

@cscott can you help? with this it's similar to this T267614

Change 937922 had a related patch set uploaded (by Ladsgroup; author: Kaleem Bhatti):

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] sdwiki: set 'wgTranslateNumerals' to false

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/937922

For anyone watching this task, Kaleem emailed me to ask how to get the above patch merged. I advised them to use a backport window.

Anyone please merge this patch I didn't understand how to merge else I can
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/937922

In T268203#9035995, @Kaleem_Bhatti wrote:

Anyone please merge this patch I didn't understand how to merge else I can
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/937922

You can use one of the backport windows and someone will assist you in getting it deployed. See https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments.

If that's confusing, one of the volunteers might offer to run the change if they are available and understand the patch.

Everyone I have seen lots of time backport windows but I didn't understand I am requesting please anyone merge this patch thanks

If you continue pinging people and sending messages to everyone like this (including on unrelated patches like this), people will be less inclined to help you. Please be patient and thoroughly read https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Backport_windows. Edit the deployment calendar in https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments and add it to the time you can be around, show up in IRC at the time.

Also, this patch needs community consensus beforehand.

Community consensus is already done and provided its link to this request in the trailing messages.

Community consensus is already done and provided its link to this request in the trailing messages.

In T268203#9071543, @Ladsgroup wrote:

If you continue pinging people and sending messages to everyone like this (including on unrelated patches like this), people will be less inclined to help you. Please be patient and thoroughly read https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Backport_windows. Edit the deployment calendar in https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments and add it to the time you can be around, show up in IRC at the time.

Also, this patch needs community consensus beforehand.

Here is link of community consensus

https://sd.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%85/%D8%AA%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%B2%D9%88%D9%86#%D8%B3%D9%86%DA%8C%D9%8A_%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7_%D8%AA%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%84%D8%B4_%DB%BE_%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%8E_%D9%84%DA%B3%D8%A7%D8%A6%DA%BB_%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1%D9%90_%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1%D9%90_For_English_numbering_on_Sindhi_Wiki

Change 937922 merged by jenkins-bot:

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] sdwiki: set 'wgTranslateNumerals' to false

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/937922

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2023-08-09T11:39:51Z] <ladsgroup@deploy1002> Started scap: Backport for [[gerrit:937922|sdwiki: set 'wgTranslateNumerals' to false (T268203)]]

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2023-08-09T11:41:31Z] <ladsgroup@deploy1002> kaleembhatti and ladsgroup: Backport for [[gerrit:937922|sdwiki: set 'wgTranslateNumerals' to false (T268203)]] synced to the testservers mwdebug1002.eqiad.wmnet, mwdebug2002.codfw.wmnet, mwdebug2001.codfw.wmnet, mwdebug1001.eqiad.wmnet, and mw-debug kubernetes deployment (accessible via k8s-experimental XWD option)

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2023-08-09T11:49:13Z] <ladsgroup@deploy1002> Finished scap: Backport for [[gerrit:937922|sdwiki: set 'wgTranslateNumerals' to false (T268203)]] (duration: 09m 22s)