Improve .usermessage in the Vector skin
Closed, DeclinedPublic

Description

Author: theevilipaddress

Description:
CSS

With the switch to Vector, some changes in the design have been made and some have been copied from Monobook. One thing that was however already got critique in Monobook was the layout of .usermessage ("You have new messages"), which is called the "Kackbalken" in the German Wikipedia. Some years already ago, the German user "BlueFiSH.as" has made an improvement for this in his /monobook.css that many users copied there, but the MediaWiki default has remained like that. I feel his design would perfectly fit into the new Vector skin. You can check out the color choice on his user page http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:BLueFiSH.as (first box at the top). Thus, I'd propose using this within the Vector skin of MediaWiki. For your convenience, I've tried to produce a patch with the "diff -u" command line, please let me know if that's wrong. What do you think of this idea?


Version: unspecified
Severity: enhancement

Attached: vector.patch

bzimport added a project: MediaWiki-Interface.Via ConduitNov 21 2014, 11:17 PM
bzimport set Reference to bz25145.
bzimport created this task.Via LegacySep 11 2010, 3:49 PM
bzimport added a comment.Via ConduitOct 10 2010, 3:36 AM

soxred93 wrote:

Personally, I disagree with the usage of rounded corners. They're inconsistent between browsers, many don't support them, and, IMO, they're pretty ugly unless done right.

TrevorParscal added a comment.Via ConduitOct 12 2010, 5:25 PM

The design of Vector doesn't employ any rounded corners, except for buttons (see the dialogs in the editor for instance), and furthermore tries not to use boxes in general.

The banners used to help people learn more about the switch over to vector, after the switch took place (http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&template=VectorNewLook) are a more vector-like design.

That said, the whole messaging system is crap and should be rethought as well.

Peachey88 added a comment.Via ConduitOct 13 2010, 3:56 AM

Two people have commented on said patch, I'm now assuming its been reviewed.

TrevorParscal added a comment.Via ConduitOct 13 2010, 3:58 AM

(In reply to comment #3)

Two people have commented on said patch, I'm now assuming its been reviewed.

The patch does not do anything but change the colors, which I support.

TrevorParscal added a comment.Via ConduitNov 4 2010, 5:38 PM

I applied this in r76017. Thanks for the patch!

bzimport added a comment.Via ConduitNov 9 2010, 6:05 PM

matthew.britton wrote:

Not sure I agree with this. The new messages notification was never intended to blend in with the skin; indeed quite the opposite, it should be eye-catching. A blue-grey box on a page with many more blue-grey boxes doesn't really have the required impact.

TrevorParscal added a comment.Via ConduitNov 9 2010, 6:15 PM

I'm not sure it "blends" as much as doesn't make your eyes bleed.

bzimport added a comment.Via ConduitNov 9 2010, 6:24 PM

mr_moogle.geo wrote:

I agree that the new color seems to blend and can easily be missed. I question whether IPs take notice.

TrevorParscal added a comment.Via ConduitNov 9 2010, 6:28 PM

Probably a better solution would to come up with a common color for notifications, and use it throughout the UI. Brown is probably not a good choice, this blue isn't bad aesthetically but something more noticable (like pale yellow or orange) might work.

MaxSem added a comment.Via ConduitNov 9 2010, 6:54 PM

(In reply to comment #9)

Probably a better solution would to come up with a common color for
notifications, and use it throughout the UI.

The problem is that people should notice the notification for the _first_ time, preferrably before it upgrades to "You've been blocked for vandalism".

Brown is probably not a good
choice, this blue isn't bad aesthetically but something more noticable (like
pale yellow or orange) might work.

It was absolutely disgusting, I shivered every time I saw it, that's why it was so easy to notice:P We could probably try a popup notification (must be shown only once, even if the user chose not to see the new message).

TrevorParscal added a comment.Via ConduitNov 9 2010, 6:57 PM

I am very opposed to using a pop-up. If we are talking about changing how the feature works rather than just what color the box is, I think we really need to do away with the box and add styling to the "my talk" link in the user tools. If liquid threads is enabled this link shows how many unread messages exist - we can follow along those lines by at least using that area of the screen to indicate there are some unread messages.

Bawolff added a comment.Via ConduitNov 11 2010, 1:19 AM

(In reply to comment #11)

I am very opposed to using a pop-up. If we are talking about changing how the
feature works rather than just what color the box is, I think we really need to
do away with the box and add styling to the "my talk" link in the user tools.
If liquid threads is enabled this link shows how many unread messages exist -
we can follow along those lines by at least using that area of the screen to
indicate there are some unread messages.

The CologneBlue skin had the you have new messages kind of as a line by the my talk link. It was much prettier than the monobook way, but I almost never noticed it (and I'm an experienced user, I assume newbies would notice it less then me).

Xeno added a comment.Via ConduitFeb 16 2011, 8:54 PM

xenowiki wrote:

FYI, this took en.wiki by surprise, especially given that there was no notice or consensus discussion.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Blue_new_message_bars.3F.21 (perm: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29&oldid=414305904#Blue_new_message_bars.3F.21)

It will probably be changed back to orange in Vector.css.

In future, it would probably be a good idea to solicit opinion from en.wiki users prior to making changes to interface components that have been static for years.

TheDJ added a comment.Via ConduitFeb 16 2011, 9:29 PM

Where would en.wikipedia be notified of all 100.000 changes per release ?

bzimport added a comment.Via ConduitFeb 16 2011, 9:33 PM

bugs wrote:

(In reply to comment #14)

Where would en.wikipedia be notified of all 100.000 changes per release ?

...and why should en.wikipedia be singled out of all of our other 700+ projects? The entire interface was static for years and was recently changed, this is just a continuation of that.

Xeno added a comment.Via ConduitFeb 16 2011, 9:37 PM

xenowiki wrote:

(In reply to comment #15)

(In reply to comment #14)
> Where would en.wikipedia be notified of all 100.000 changes per release ?

...and why should en.wikipedia be singled out of all of our other 700+
projects? The entire interface was static for years and was recently changed,
this is just a continuation of that.

Well - to be honest - I'm actually also pretty surprised that this went through to the other projects as well, given the reasonable objections raised above and apparent lack of consultation with the end users.

bzimport added a comment.Via ConduitFeb 16 2011, 11:38 PM

titoxd.wikimedia wrote:

There is a reason why the talk page notification is commonly called the orange bar of death. You want to be able to notice it immediately.

DanielFriesen added a comment.Via ConduitFeb 17 2011, 12:07 AM

I can agree that this change in color can have a negative impact on usability of MW. It should probably be reverted.

bzimport added a comment.Via ConduitFeb 17 2011, 12:11 AM

lifeisunfair wrote:

While I don't believe that the English Wikipedia (or any project) is owed special treatment, I agree that this should not have been implemented based upon the above discussion alone. As Xeno noted, reasonable objections were raised, and I certainly see nothing resembling consensus for the change.

I agree that this modification contradicts the feature's intended purpose (which is to stand out and attract attention, *not* look pretty and match the skin). Please revert until consensus to recolor the bar has been established. (This already has been done locally at the English Wikipedia, so I'm referring to the global level.) Thank you.

bzimport added a comment.Via ConduitFeb 17 2011, 12:31 AM

soxred93 wrote:

Reverted in r82315. There was no consensus for the change, and the whole point of the bar is to stand out.

Bawolff added a comment.Via ConduitFeb 17 2011, 12:36 AM

To respond to the claim that enwikipedia got no notice, it did make the signpost back in November - [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-11-08/Technology_report#In_brief]] so I wouldn't exactly say no notice.

Xeno added a comment.Via ConduitFeb 17 2011, 3:20 PM

xenowiki wrote:

(In reply to comment #21)

To respond to the claim that enwikipedia got no notice, it did make the
signpost back in November -
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-11-08/Technology_report#In_brief]] so I
wouldn't exactly say no notice.

Thank you for the link. So not 'no' notice, though perhaps 'insufficient' notice. A post to WP:VPT would have greater visibility.

The link does confirm that there is little appetite and no apparent consensus for the change.

vvv added a comment.Via ConduitFeb 17 2011, 5:57 PM

Since usability people like user feedback, I can say that I missed new messages bar at least five times today.

saper added a comment.Via ConduitMar 14 2011, 1:32 AM

Even on dewiki, where this comes from, it's not the default.

Add Comment

Column Prototype
This is a very early prototype of a persistent column. It is not expected to work yet, and leaving it open will activate other new features which will break things. Press "\" (backslash) on your keyboard to close it now.