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Create Wikipedia Altai
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The language committee has approved the creation of Wikipedia Southern Altai.

  • Timezone: Asia/Barnaul
  • Shard: s5
  • Local file uploads: disabled

Thank you.


Pre-install automatic checklist:

The Wiki is ready to be created.


Post install automatic checklist:


Step by step commands:
On deploy1001:
cd /srv/mediawiki-staging/
git fetch
git log -p HEAD..@{u}
git rebase
On mwmaint1002:
scap pull
mwscript extensions/WikimediaMaintenance/addWiki.php --wiki=muswiki alt wikipedia altwiki alt.wikipedia.org
mwscript extensions/CirrusSearch/maintenance/UpdateSearchIndexConfig.php --wiki=altwiki --cluster=all
On deploy1001:
scap sync-file wmf-config/db-eqiad.php "Creating altwiki (T271980)"
scap sync-file wmf-config/db-codfw.php "Creating altwiki (T271980)"
scap sync-file dblists "Creating altwiki (T271980)"
scap sync-wikiversions "Creating altwiki (T271980)"
scap sync-file static/images/project-logos/ "Creating altwiki (T271980)"
scap sync-file wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php "Creating altwiki (T271980)"
scap sync-file langlist "Creating altwiki (T271980)"
scap update-interwiki-cache

End of automatic output

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Change 655972 had a related patch set uploaded (by Gerrit maintenance bot; owner: Gerrit maintenance bot):
[operations/dns@master] Add alt to langlist helper

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/655972

Change 655973 had a related patch set uploaded (by Gerrit maintenance bot; owner: Gerrit maintenance bot):
[mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages@master] Add messages for Altai Wikipedia (altwiki)

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/655973

T271981 for the namespaces.

Change 655974 had a related patch set uploaded (by Gerrit maintenance bot; owner: Gerrit maintenance bot):
[mediawiki/services/cxserver@master] Add alt to languages

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/655974

Change 655975 had a related patch set uploaded (by Gerrit maintenance bot; owner: Gerrit maintenance bot):
[analytics/refinery@master] Add alt.wikipedia to pageview whitelist

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/655975

Change 655972 merged by Dzahn:
[operations/dns@master] Add alt to langlist helper

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/655972

Change 655973 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages@master] Add messages for Altai Wikipedia (altwiki)

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/655973

“Wikipedia Southern Altai” — please, do not use such term, this is simply Altai language, not “Southern”. There are many small languages in the northern part of the Republic of Altai, but the only standard norm is Altai language. That's why the Incubator project of “Northern Altai” language has no perspectives because we should create at least three more projects for those Northern Altai languages (Chelkan, Kumandy, and Tubalar/Tuba).

The term follows what was used for the request on Meta the entire time and is also how the language is named in the ISO 639-3 standard we use.

But the community is absolutely discouraged by this mention of the “South”. I reassure them that they can use the correct name within the project.
Here is the Constitution of the Republic of Altai: http://docs.cntd.ru/document/304200009
«Государственными языками в Республике Алтай являются алтайский и русский языки» [The state languages in the Altai Republic are Altai and Russian] (Article 13)
Someone once in ISO added the word “South” to counterbalance of “North,” and this error has been spreading ever since. It is not correct.

Change 655974 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/services/cxserver@master] Add alt to languages

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/655974

Change 655975 merged by Joal:
[analytics/refinery@master] Add alt.wikipedia to pageview whitelist

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/655975

Dzahn added a subscriber: Dzahn.Thu, Jan 14, 3:32 PM

But the community is absolutely discouraged by this mention of the “South”.

Then you'll have to go back to meta and modify the request please.

But the community is absolutely discouraged by this mention of the “South”.

Then you'll have to go back to meta and modify the request please.

Plus that would need to be langcom-approved.

Urbanecm triaged this task as Low priority.Thu, Jan 14, 3:38 PM
Soul_Train added a comment.EditedTue, Jan 19, 8:23 PM

And one more thing, about the time zone. I think that at the time the request was created, the Altai Republic and Omsk Oblast were in the same time zone (UTC+7), but there were a few changes in the mid-2010s. As a result, there is only one region in the Asia/Omsk time zone in Russia - the Omsk Oblast itself. And the Altai Republic now belongs to UTC+7 — this is Asia/Novosibirsk (=Krasnoyarsk Time).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk_Time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasnoyarsk_Time
The closest valid timezone is Barnaul — centre of the Altai Krai. In the past, the Altai Republic was part of this region.

Urbanecm changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Tue, Jan 19, 10:13 PM

Stalling as there's apparently no consensus on what the config should be like. There's disagreement on the project/language name, there's disagreement on timezone, ...

@Soul_Train While I understand your motivation for writing those comments, Phabricator is not a place for deciding what the soon-to-be-created wiki's configuration should be – that should be ideally clarified before the request is approved.

@MF-Warburg and other LangCom members: May I ask you to facilitate moving this discussion to Meta, or whatever you deem appropriate? Please ping me once this is ready to be created.

Amire80 added a subscriber: Amire80.EditedWed, Jan 20, 10:59 PM

I can't speak for the whole Language committee, but as far as I can tell, both issues are just a technicality.

The timezone issue is completely trivial: It's Krasnoyarsk time since 2016.

The language code is alt, and everyone agrees on that. When dictionaries, reference books, and governments documents in Russia say "Altai language" (алтайский язык), they refer to the Southern variety, the ISO code of which is alt, and which also has many more speakers. For example, the article Altai language in the Great Russian Encyclopedia says clearly that literary Altai language is based on the Southern variety. I am not aware of any controversies or conflicts surrounding this; if anyone is aware of any, please bring them up, but I'm pretty sure there's nothing.

But this, too, is just a technicality. "Southern" is written here just as the title of the task, and as far I know, it won't appear anywhere. The search results title is "Altai Wikipedia" in English, which is fine.

MF-Warburg renamed this task from Create Wikipedia Southern Altai to Create Wikipedia Altai.Thu, Jan 21, 5:47 PM
MF-Warburg changed the task status from Stalled to Open.
MF-Warburg updated the task description. (Show Details)

@Urbanecm issues are resolved.