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See https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Reading_room/Proposals#New_reply_tool_and_VisualEditor

In short,

  • enable DiscussionsTools by default (like at Meta)
  • make VisualEditor opt-out rather than opt-in.

Event Timeline

Leaderboard triaged this task as Medium priority.Mar 8 2021, 6:10 PM
Zabe added a project: User-Zabe.
Zabe moved this task from Backlog to Config - to process on the Wikimedia-Site-requests board.
Zabe added a subscriber: Zabe.

Change 669960 had a related patch set uploaded (by Zabe; owner: Zabe):
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Enable DiscussionsTools for enwikibooks

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/669960

Change 669966 had a related patch set uploaded (by Zabe; owner: Zabe):
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Enable visualeditor on enwikibooks by default

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/669966

Urbanecm added subscribers: ppelberg, Urbanecm.

Hello, since DiscussionTools are product actively maintained by Editing-team, I'm not comfortable with deploying this without Editing team signoff. Apologizes for the slight delay.

@ppelberg Hi Peter, can you please have a look at this? Thank you!

Hello, since DiscussionTools are product actively maintained by Editing-team, I'm not comfortable with deploying this without Editing team signoff. Apologizes for the slight delay.

@ppelberg Hi Peter, can you please have a look at this? Thank you!

Thank you for the ping, @Urbanecm and @Zabe, for taking the initiative to write a patch.

We typically like for deployment discussions [i] to be open for a week before taking any action.

As such, I've set a reminder to check back in on the discussion [i] on Friday, 12-March.

In the meantime, I've added this task as a sub-task of T276498.


i. https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Reading_room/Proposals#New_reply_tool_and_VisualEditor

Hello, since DiscussionTools are product actively maintained by Editing-team, I'm not comfortable with deploying this without Editing team signoff. Apologizes for the slight delay.

@ppelberg Hi Peter, can you please have a look at this? Thank you!

We typically like for deployment discussions [i] to be open for a week before taking any action.

As such, I've set a reminder to check back in on the discussion [i] on Friday, 12-March.

Moving forward with offering the Reply Tool, the New Discussion Tool and the VisualEditor at en.wikibooks is okay with us.

Before doing so, @Urbanecm / @Zabe: can you please confirm how you are planning to make the Reply and New Discussion Tools available at en.wikibooks? E.g. as opt-in Beta Feautres? As features that are available by default for all users? Something else?

Hello, since DiscussionTools are product actively maintained by Editing-team, I'm not comfortable with deploying this without Editing team signoff. Apologizes for the slight delay.

@ppelberg Hi Peter, can you please have a look at this? Thank you!

We typically like for deployment discussions [i] to be open for a week before taking any action.

As such, I've set a reminder to check back in on the discussion [i] on Friday, 12-March.

Moving forward with offering the Reply Tool, the New Discussion Tool and the VisualEditor at en.wikibooks is okay with us.

Before doing so, @Urbanecm / @Zabe: can you please confirm how you are planning to make the Reply and New Discussion Tools available at en.wikibooks? E.g. as opt-in Beta Feautres? As features that are available by default for all users? Something else?

@ppelberg As the user who filed the request, we would prefer the Reply and New Discussion Tool to be available by default to all users (so opt-out, like at Meta).

@ppelberg As the user who filed the request, we would prefer the Reply and New Discussion Tool to be available by default to all users (so opt-out, like at Meta).

enable DiscussionsTools by default (like at Meta)

The proposed patch by @Zabe would currently make the Reply Tool enabled by default, but the New Discussion Tool only available as a beta feature. Also, at Meta, both of them are only available as a beta feature (not opt-out as you wrote). So I think you need to clarify the details :)

As one of the developers, I'd actually suggest using the configuration proposed by @Zabe – it's how it's configured on several other wikis, and we'd prefer having fewer variants to test.

Also, the New Discussion Tool still has some known issues (in particular cases where the interface reverts back to the old version: T276495, T270323; and other blocker tasks of T271964), and we don't want users who didn't sign up to be beta testers to run into them.

@ppelberg As the user who filed the request, we would prefer the Reply and New Discussion Tool to be available by default to all users (so opt-out, like at Meta).

enable DiscussionsTools by default (like at Meta)

The proposed patch by @Zabe would currently make the Reply Tool enabled by default, but the New Discussion Tool only available as a beta feature. Also, at Meta, both of them are only available as a beta feature (not opt-out as you wrote). So I think you need to clarify the details :)

As one of the developers, I'd actually suggest using the configuration proposed by @Zabe – it's how it's configured on several other wikis, and we'd prefer having fewer variants to test.

Also, the New Discussion Tool still has some known issues (in particular cases where the interface reverts back to the old version: T276495, T270323; and other blocker tasks of T271964), and we don't want users who didn't sign up to be beta testers to run into them.

@matmarex I apologise, I was mistaken indeed. I didn't realise that I had turned DiscussionsTools on as a beta feature at Meta.

We'll go with your suggestion - that is, to use the approach taken by @Zabe.

Change 669966 merged by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Enable visualeditor on enwikibooks by default

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/669966

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2021-03-15T18:35:28Z] <urbanecm@deploy1002> Synchronized dblists/visualeditor-nondefault.dblist: b6a8df04701f9a83643c93342183b448705477bd: Enable visualeditor on enwikibooks by default (T276851; 1/2) (duration: 00m 58s)

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2021-03-15T18:38:15Z] <urbanecm@deploy1002> Synchronized wmf-config/config/enwikibooks.yaml: b6a8df04701f9a83643c93342183b448705477bd: Enable visualeditor on enwikibooks by default (T276851; 2/2) (duration: 01m 00s)

Change 669960 merged by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Enable DiscussionsTools for enwikibooks

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/669960

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2021-03-15T18:46:01Z] <urbanecm@deploy1002> Synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php: e5a7284956e707ace94120e8224b262d5ef56c99: Enable DiscussionsTools for enwikibooks (T276851) (duration: 00m 59s)