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Add Ojibwe (oj), to Names.php
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Please add the label "Ojibwe" for the language code "oj", as previously done for another language in T263968.

Background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwe_language

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Unnasigning from myself as I am no longer active in MediaWiki development.

Not a duplicate; Ojibwe (oj) is not the same as Ojibwain (ojb).

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwe_language - ISO 639-3 ojb is ISO 639-1 oj.

Not so; "oj" is Ojibwe; "ojb" is Northwestern Ojibwa, one of several dialects, as that very page - which I cited in my original ticket, above - explains.

Furthermore, that page states that the (inclusive) ISO 639-3 code for Ojibwe is "oji".

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwestern_Ojibwa - from which: "ISO 639-3 = ojb"; "Northwestern Ojibwe (also known as Northern Ojibwa, Ojibway, Ojibwe) is a dialect of the Ojibwe language"

This is like saying we don't need "en" because we have "en-au".

Valid point, thanks! Maybe this should be dup'ed the other way round then...

4nn1l2 triaged this task as Low priority.
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I'll do it.

Adding a language code to Names.php makes it immediately a content language for Wikidata etc. and an interface language for all MediaWiki installs; normally these kinds of requests go through the TWN team, as adding the . The linked task for nia was landed after the original content import from TWN, to avoid breaking things. I'd recommend talking to them first.

normally these kinds of requests go through the TWN team

We need clarity as to the proper channel for requesting the addition of languages, when needed on Wikispecies, so that they can be added in a timely manner.

I was given to understand that the correct process was to raise a ticket such as this. There are likely to be further requests of this nature in future.

I have no idea who the "TWN team," are, nor how to contact them.

Please can someone clarify the agreed process? Or if necessary can those involved agree one?

Alternatively, perhaps Template:Vn on Wikispecies [1] should be made to pick up language labels from somewhere else (Wikidata?), instead of the current source?

as adding the .

?

[1] https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:VN

normally these kinds of requests go through the TWN team

We need clarity as to the proper channel for requesting the addition of languages, when needed on Wikispecies, so that they can be added in a timely manner.

I was given to understand that the correct process was to raise a ticket such as this. There are likely to be further requests of this nature in future.

It is.

I have no idea who the "TWN team," are, nor how to contact them.

That's fine, you shouldn't need to. My note is for people who are thinking of taking on this task; it's technically just editing a file, but in practice has major, permanent ramifications, and so needs to be carefully co-ordinated, like other such requests.

We need clarity as to the proper channel for requesting the addition of languages, when needed on Wikispecies, so that they can be added in a timely manner.

I was given to understand that the correct process was to raise a ticket such as this. There are likely to be further requests of this nature in future.

It is.

And yet, more than six months on, this request has still not been actioned.

@Raymond, @Amire80: Would any of you maybe know where the process (?) is documented? See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T277505#7328596 and followup comments. Thanks in advance.

@Raymond, @Amire80: Would any of you maybe know where the process (?) is documented? See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T277505#7328596 and followup comments. Thanks in advance.

There's this page: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Add_a_wiki

The page is about something else, but in practice, its first section covers language codes handling.

About oj, I asked the original person who requested oj whether ojb is appropriate, and received no reply. See https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:VN#cr_and_oj .

A few months ago I discussed this with people who know Ojibwe, and I understood from them that the relationship between ojb and oj is not like between Australian English and English, but more like between English and Anglic languages; and furthermore, ojb is the most widely understood and most frequently written variety. That's why I think ojb can and should be used. But if somebody who actually knows Ojibwe languages and wants to write in them thinks that this is wrong, please do tell.