Create local overrides for talk page "Learn more" links in the new topic tool empty state
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	matmarex
	Aug 5 2021, 5:33 PM

Description

In the patch https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/DiscussionTools/+/708713, we've implemented the talk page "Learn more" links in the new topic tool empty state using links to mediawiki.org. On wikis that have local help pages on the subject, we want to link to those pages instead.

Requirements

Per the Copy section on T274832:
- For each wiki listed in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4592157, override the message 'discussiontools-emptystate-link-talkpages' (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Discussiontools-emptystate-link-talkpages) with the page title from Wikidata (e.g. Help:Talk pages)
Per the Copy section on T274831 and T277329:
- For each wiki listed in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4592334, override the message 'discussiontools-emptystate-link-userpage' (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Discussiontools-emptystate-link-userpage) with the page title from Wikidata (e.g. Wikipedia:User pages)

Minimum test case

Non-User Talk Pages
Case 1

Visit an empty, non-user talk page on any 5 Wikipedias listed on this page
Click the Learn more about how these pages are used link within the empty state design (T274832)
Verify you are taken to that local Wikipedia's talk page help page

Case 2

Visit an empty, non-user talk page on one Wikipedia that is NOT listed on this page
Click the Learn more about how these pages are used link within the empty state design (T274832)
Verify you are taken to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Talk_pages

User Talk Pages
Case 3

Visit an empty, user talk page on any 5 Wikipedias listed on this page
Click the Learn more about how these pages are used link within the empty state design (T277329+ T274831)
Verify you are taken to that local Wikipedia's user page help page

Case 4

Visit an empty, user talk page on one Wikipedia that is NOT listed on this page
Click the Learn more about how these pages are used link within the empty state design (T277329+ T274831)
Verify you are taken to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:User_page

Related Objects

Mentioned In: T271964: [Release ticket] Make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out feature at partner wikis
Mentioned Here: T274831: Implement empty state mockups for *user* talk pages (logged in)
T274832: Implement user experience for non-existent (red-linked) *non-user* talk pages
T277329: Implement empty state mockups for peoples' *own user* talk page (logged in)

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matmarex created this task.Aug 5 2021, 5:33 PM

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matmarex added a parent task: T270323: Design user experience for creating discussions on non-existent (red linked) talk pages.Aug 5 2021, 5:33 PM

matmarex edited projects, added OWC2020; removed DiscussionTools.Aug 5 2021, 5:52 PM

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• ppelberg subscribed.Aug 5 2021, 7:40 PM

Dusan_Krehel added a project: User-notice.Aug 9 2021, 7:25 PM

I've created the pages using this bot script I wrote:

multiedit-T288275.rb1 KBDownload

Example pages:

You can find the full list of edits here: https://guc.toolforge.org/?src=rc&by=date&user=Matma+Rex

I also created local overrides on https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/, for testing.

The script only made 265 edits, while the two Wikidata items have 125 + 143 = 268 site links. I spent a lot of time figuring out why (and I had to re-run it because I didn't keep the output).

Apparently on kkwiki, my edit to https://kk.wikipedia.org/wiki/МедиаУики:Discussiontools-emptystate-link-userpage was blocked by an abuse filter "100-ден аз өңдеу жасаған қатысушылардың бет бастауына шек қою" (something about preventing users under 100 edits from creating pages). I guess they won't get the override.

And on huwiki, both pages have already been created: https://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Discussiontools-emptystate-link-talkpages&action=history https://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Discussiontools-emptystate-link-userpage&action=history

@Dusan_Krehel You added the User-notice tag, can you confirm that you want a notice about this change to be included in Tech News? This is a small change affecting a beta feature.

@matmarex

I saw that: https://sk.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=7236254&rcid=17917644

First look: This is a translate string of translatewiki. Or hm, what is it, if no translatewiki?

This item is in Main place. Untypical name for standard article. This name is a surprise for normal user, if he see in standard wiki on skwiki.

@Dusan_Krehel I'm not sure if I understand your questions, but I will try to answer. Tell me if I should clarify something. (I could write in Polish and you could write in Slovak, if that helps?)

That page I created replaces the translation from Translatewiki. The message is defined here: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Discussiontools-emptystate-link-userpage/en. I created a local page on each wiki, instead of using translations, because the help page may be different on different wikis even in the same language.

The text I added will be used as a link in a new interface for creating discussion pages that we're working on:

You can see a demo here: https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/2889ede3b7/wiki/User_talk:Patch_Demo
Translate it here: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?action=translate&group=ext-discussiontools-user&language=sk&filter=%21translated
More information: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion#2_August_2021

By default, the text "Learn more about how these pages are used" (or its Slovak translation) would be a link to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_page/sk, but we thought that the local help page at https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Stránka_redaktora would be more useful for users on Slovak Wikipedia.

If there is a better help page, please edit the page I created (or if you'd prefer to have a link to mediawiki.org, please delete it).

• ppelberg updated the task description. (Show Details)Aug 10 2021, 1:30 AM

• ppelberg moved this task from Ready for Sign Off to QA on the Editing-team (Kanban Board) board.

• ppelberg added a project: Editing QA.

@Dusan_Krehel: Removing User-notice; please see its description.

• ppelberg reassigned this task from matmarex to Ryasmeen.Aug 10 2021, 3:54 PM

• ppelberg moved this task from Inbox to High Priority on the Editing QA board.Aug 11 2021, 10:57 PM

• LZaman mentioned this in T271964: [Release ticket] Make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out feature at partner wikis.Aug 12 2021, 6:35 PM

• ppelberg removed a parent task: T270323: Design user experience for creating discussions on non-existent (red linked) talk pages.Aug 21 2021, 12:53 AM

Case 1: Checked on bn, cs, ca, eo and uk wiki.
Case 2: Checked on https://bn.wikibooks.org/wiki/
Case 3: Checked on gl, eu, fi, als and el wiki.
Case4: Checked on this page: https://bn.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%80_%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AA:RYasmeen_(WMF)

Everything is working as expected.

Ryasmeen edited projects, added Verified; removed Editing QA.Aug 26 2021, 6:01 PM

• ppelberg closed this task as Resolved.Aug 30 2021, 4:24 AM

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Create local overrides for talk page "Learn more" links in the new topic tool empty stateClosed, ResolvedPublicActions