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Add monolingual language codes for Oïl languages family : Gallo language, Lorrain language
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Description

Add the following language codes to the list of language codes supported for monolingual text values.

  • Gallo (Q37300)
  • Language item: Gallo (Q37300)
  • Language code to use: TBD
  • Usage example: missing -- please insert text and item here

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  • Lorrain (Q671198))
  • Language item: Lorrain (Q671198)
  • Language code to use: TBD
  • Usage example: missing -- please insert text and item here

These language are variants of Latin.

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@Amire80 Could you confirm whether these languages have valid IETF language tags.

Mohammed_Sadat_WMDE renamed this task from Add monolingual language codes for Oïl language, Gallo language to Add monolingual language codes for Oïl language, Gallo language, Lorrain (Q671198) .Sep 13 2021, 11:37 AM
Mohammed_Sadat_WMDE renamed this task from Add monolingual language codes for Oïl language, Gallo language, Lorrain (Q671198) to Add monolingual language codes for Oïl language, Gallo language, Lorrain.
Mohammed_Sadat_WMDE renamed this task from Add monolingual language codes for Oïl language, Gallo language, Lorrain to Add monolingual language codes for Oïl language, Gallo language, Lorrain language.
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I don't think they do. Can someone provide usage examples and explain the motivation for adding these? As far as I can tell, these are groups and not languages.

Gallo is fr-gallo. Lorrain doesn't have a language tag.

The "Oïl language" item represents an entire group of languages which includes Gallo and Lorrain, as well as other languages we already support like standard French, Picard, Walloon and Norman.

Lorrain might be a bit tricky. UNESCO describes it as « fr-lor », which isn't true (fr-lor means French from Lorraine, not Lorrain...). Some linguists consider it to be a group of languages, but, throughout history, the most commonly accepted description tends towards lorrain being a language on its own, with local variants (which themselves vary between each linguists).

For the sake of simplicity, let's follow the most common opinion : lorrain is a language.

Poslovitch renamed this task from Add monolingual language codes for Oïl language, Gallo language, Lorrain language to Add monolingual language codes for Oïl languages, Gallo language, Lorrain language.Sep 13 2021, 12:15 PM

Besides langcom approval, we also need language codes. So far only Gallo has been provided.

But these languages don't have one ; that's why we reported that issue.

Aparté : Glottolog code for Lorrain : lorr1242

Hello ! When I ask to add Oïl languages it’s for all oïl languages, not for the language family. So there the list to add :

  • angevin (Q56782)
  • champenois (Q430018)
  • bourguignon-morvandiau (Q508332)
  • franc-comtois (Q510561)
  • poitevin-saintongeais (Q514123)
  • berrichon (Q2899128)
  • bourbonnais (Q2922261)
  • mayennais (Q3302952)
  • parler sarthois (Q3365567)
  • percheron (Q3375142)
  • orléanais (Q28497058)
  • tourangeau (Q30742253)

There is a very big problem to need a languages codes. There is so many languages without it AND it’s always little language used by minorities. It’s terribly difficult to help, describe and write in these language here, when it shouldn't.

There is a very big problem to need a languages codes. There is so many languages without it AND it’s always little language used by minorities. It’s terribly difficult to help, describe and write in these language here, when it shouldn't.

But is there a real use case for monolingual properties in those languages? If there's only a one time use, then you should use mis (miscellaneous), because changing the code so minority languages can be used will make this a significant change.
If there are valid use cases then please provide them, so WMDE can make a better judgment if it's worth changing the code to make this possible.

Esc3300 changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Sep 20 2021, 5:07 AM
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please add samples

@Amire80 Could you confirm whether these languages have valid IETF language tags.

all languages do

Eihel renamed this task from Add monolingual language codes for Oïl languages, Gallo language, Lorrain language to Add monolingual language codes for Oïl languages family : Gallo language, Lorrain language.Sep 28 2021, 11:01 AM
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Eihel renamed this task from Add monolingual language codes for Oïl languages family : Gallo language, Lorrain language to Add monolingual language codes for Oïl languages family : Gallo language.Sep 28 2021, 11:05 AM
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Eihel renamed this task from Add monolingual language codes for Oïl languages family : Gallo language to Add monolingual language codes for Oïl languages family : Gallo language, Lorrain language.Sep 28 2021, 11:56 AM
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