Related task: T321878

Clarification after community talk got archived (https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B3/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%9B/23#%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%94%D0%88) and images updated, and T330631 got opened:

1. desktop logos:
   • for Cyrl: black *wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl.svg followed by near-lower black **tagline https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-tagline-bs_Cyrl.svg
   • for Latn: black wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn.svg followed by near-lower black tagline https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-tagline-bs_Latn.svg
2. mobile view logos
   • for Cyrl: grey wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl_GREY.svg followed by far-low black wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl.svg
   • for Latn: grey wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn_GREY.svg followed by far-low black wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn.svg

*wordmark is basic logo, Wikipedia project name (Википедија/Vikipedija)
**tagline is slogan text, 'The Free Encyclopedia' (Слободна енциклопедија / Slobodna enciklopedija)

In Serbian (na srpskom jeziku):

Pojašnjenje nakon što je razgovor u zajednici arhiviran (https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B3/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%9B/23#%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%94%D0%88) i slike ažurirane, te T330631 otvoren:

1. desktop logoi:
   • za Cyrl: crni *wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl.svg praćen odmah ispod crnim **tagline-om https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-tagline-bs_Cyrl.svg
   • za Latn: crni wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn.svg praćen odmah ispod crnim tagline-om https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-tagline-bs_Latn.svg
2. mobilni prikaz logoi
   • za Cyrl: sivi wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl_GREY.svg praćen pridnu lijevo crnim wordmark-om https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl.svg
   • za Latn: sivi wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn_GREY.svg praćen pridnu lijevo crnim wordmark-om https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn.svg

*wordmark je osnovni logo, naziv projekta Wikipedia (Википедија/Vikipedija)
**tagline je tekst slogana, 'The Free Encyclopedia' (Слободна енциклопедија / Slobodna enciklopedija)

Here is link for newly opened discussion as community consensus is still needed (Ovde je link za novootvorenu diskusiju jer je konsenzus zajednice i dalje potreban): https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B3/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%9B#%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%99%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%9A%D0%B5_%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B0_%D0%B8_%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D1%98%D0%B0

Thanks for your reply. You don't need to create a separate task for language convention on wordmark/tagline.

I could have a patch for you, but I'm still a little confused - the legacy vector has a logo without a "down J" (lower baseline for the letter "J", see https://sr.wikipedia.org/static/images/project-logos/srwiki-2x.png), and the vector-2022 one has a "down J" (https://sr.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/wikipedia-wordmark-sr.svg). So you want both of them to have a "down J", is this your point?

@Stang: Updated Linux Libertine font types out smallcaps J lowered (that's for Latin-script text; for Cyrillic-script text does not feature smallcaps, letters stay lowercase when Character > Small Caps is chosen in Adobe Illustrator) — so no, I do not want "down J", I decided to leave it as it is. There was discussion at sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедија:Трг/Помоћ (sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедија:Трг/Архива/Помоћ/23#логоДЈ; link above) about raising letter "J" (and letter "D") but (only) user that was part of discussion (Боки) was against it and I am so now (to explain further: actually I started then, in December 2022, discussion to move "J" in the text line so that it is not lowered but then conversion to Lat. script of logo and Contents was not discussed—I copied description of as-duplicate-closed T330631 to have completely-centralized discussion at this task page). Note that:

• there are few editors there at sr.wikipedia.org that take part in the discussions on this topic (after three months there was no one except Боки and they've non-caringly archived section-topic with Phab task designated as OPENED (ОТВОРЕНО), same as there was not more of discussion today – there was no one from in-the-morning started topic at sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедија:Трг/Помоћ#Пресловљавање_логоа_и_садржаја (link above) until now, 12 hours have passed, to reply); and that:
• currently displayed version (has been displayed for long time) has both "J" (smallcaps "Ј") and "D" (smallcaps "Д") lowered so there is no change in design, and Боки noted that – as I understand his "too basic" words – lowered "J" adds dynamic element to the design; – but more important is conversion part now (that Lat. displays Latin script version).

But complete update is needed for consistency.

After checking Wayback: The "legacy vector" logo as you said, is actually with "down J" – 2004–2015, and the one without "down J" had been used 2015–2021, after what display-model changed when narrower display with widening option in bottom right part of the page was enabled and after that untill now – 2021–2023 logo is with "down J" /13 years with "down J" and 6 years without "down J"/. I do not know what pages need update but it should be clear that number of new logos to be implemented is 14, by using 6 different image files:

1. six for dropdown-menu option Ћир./lat.:
   • 3 desktop view (black wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl.svg for sr, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl.svg for sr-ec, and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn.svg for sr-el; and black tagline https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-tagline-bs_Cyrl.svg for sr, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-tagline-bs_Cyrl.svg for sr-ec, and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-tagline-bs_Latn.svg for sr-el) &
   • 3 mobile view (grey wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl_GREY.svg for sr, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl_GREY.svg for sr-ec, and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn_GREY.svg for sr-el; and black lower wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl.svg for sr, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl.svg for sr-ec and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn.svg for sr-el)
2. four for dropdown-menu option Ћир.:
   • 2 desktop view (black wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl.svg for sr-ec; and black tagline https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-tagline-bs_Cyrl.svg for sr-ec) &
   • 2 mobile view (grey wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl_GREY.svg for sr-ec; and black lower wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl.svg for sr-ec)
3. four for dropdown-menu option Lat.:
   • 2 desktop view (black wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn.svg for sr-el; and black tagline https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-tagline-bs_Latn.svg for sr-el) &
   • 2 mobile view (grey wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn_GREY.svg for sr-el; and black lower wordmark https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn.svg for sr-el)
     
     *1. is not problematic, as it does not need tampering Page content language ("Језик странице"), e.g. https://sr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0&action=info because ortography book for Serbian languages states that primary script for Serbian is Cyrillic script, that's why it is primary also in content transliteration for system: Cyrillic is completely converted to Latin, but Latin not completely to Cyrillic but with many exceptions such as Roman numerals (I, V, X, D, M stay same even though other text gets cyrillicized for Ћир. from Ћир./lat. with Page content language sr - српски / srpski that prefers Cyrillic as ortography rule />whether it is sr (stated in previous URL as "sr - српски / srpski" for Main Page and usually for (possibly all) other article pages — e.g. https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akciza could have at https://sr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akciza&action=info "Језик странице" be "sr-el - srpski" instead of "sr - српски / srpski"; sr-ec/sr-Cyrl and sr-el/sr-Latn is to be distuinguished here, maybe at separate task or right this task, problem of displayed info text fixable at translatewiki.net or bigger problem—that page content language model is not determined properly at all; or: >whether it is clearly sr-ec (sr-ec - српски); or: >whether it is clearly sr-el (sr-el - srpski)/ /-{T|sr:;sr-ec:;sr-el:}- works for determining of direct title output in wikitext for article title, similarly as -{|sr:;sr-ec:;sr-el:}- works for determining of direct output in wikitext for article content; former one, for title, requires title match with only exception '' used for italicizing, as I know/

Description from T330631 (entitled Enable logo and Contents conversion to Latin script for sr.wikipedia.org (to resolve simultaneously with T324545)) that was opened but designated duplicate and merged into this task:

When viewing "Lat." page at sr.wikipedia.org (that uses drop-down menu for scripts variants of Serbian language: Ћир./lat. – page as is, Ћир. – system conversion to Cyrillic & Lat. – conversion of everything to Latin script) there's logo remaining same (Cyrillic) and Contents remaining same (Cyrillic or Latin).
I propose implementation of logos as resolved in T324545; complete latinization of Contents in needed and cyrillication for rootly Latin text-model article pages (el/lat/latn; can be checked by comparing title of the page with latinized version of that and if same article would be rootly Latin, though it is still problematic finding this out for Contents to go Cyrillic, at least in my opinion). This is proper conversion model: https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BB:TitleReplace.

Thanks for your reply.

• Is it needed to update the "legacy logo" as well to align your changes to wordmark/tagline? I found an SVG file https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-slaven-sr.svg which may meet your requirement, but you can also upload your own if needed.
• You don't need to create a separate wordmark/tagline for mobile view - it will inherit the desktop version.

There are now available versions with smallcaps "J" not lowered below lower baseline of text (I suggest using grey versions of them – 3rd and 4th bullet items, for mobile, because there is tinier view and Боки's 'dynamicity' could have effect of misleading while scrolling — still, lower, black wordmark, can be still https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl.svg & https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn.svg in order to resemble main desktop long-time version with Ј lowered below text baseline, what lasted more than two thirds of time logo has been displayed so it is symbolic and like memory association; similarly, it could become memory association that first logo is grey and with Ј/J in text baseline, both together reflecting simplicity, while there is original logo, always awailable, to associate to main, desktop version):

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl_Jnotlower.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn_Jnotlower.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Cyrl_GREY_Jnotlower.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_wordmark-bs_Latn_GREY_Jnotlower.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-slaven-sr_Jnotlower.svg (replaces above-mentioned https://sr.wikipedia.org/static/images/project-logos/srwiki-2x.png)
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-slaven-sr_Latn_Jnotlower.svg

Additionally, please check what happened with alignment of sr.wiktionary.org logo when compared with en.wiktionary.org, after T172245 was done in Aug 2017 icons matched perfectly in desktop version but now at sr they are placed a bit more right and more down.

Change 892955 had a related patch set uploaded (by Stang; author: Stang):

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] srwiki: Update logo/wordmark/tagline, add latin variant version

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/892955

There are now following files too:

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-wordmark-sr_Cyrl.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-wordmark-sr_Latn.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibooks-logo-sr_Latn.svg

Those are for desktop (third bullet) and mobile (first and second bullet) Wikibooks in Serbian Cyrillic and Latin (for Ћир./lat., Ћир. and Lat.); I am just about to upload same way as for these also for Serbian Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikinews and Wiktionary (black and grey versions when needed).

There are now following files for mobile Serbian Wikiquote (first two bullets) and desktop Serbian Wikiquote for Latin version that was missing (third bullet):

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikiquote-wordmark-sr_Cyrl.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikiquote-wordmark-sr_Latn.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikiquote-logo-sr_Latn.svg

If black color is needed for lower logo, near bottom of the mobile page, there are versions available:

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikiquote-wordmark-sr_Cyrl_black.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikiquote-wordmark-sr_Latn_black.svg

Wikisource, Wikinews and Wiktionary follow...

There are now following files for mobile Serbian Wikisource (first two bullets) and desktop Serbian Wikisource for Latin version that was missing (third bullet):

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-wordmark-sr_Cyrl.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-wordmark-sr_Latn.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-sr_Latn.svg

If black color is needed for lower logo, near bottom of the mobile page, there are versions available:

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-wordmark-sr_Cyrl_black.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-wordmark-sr_Latn_black.svg

Note that desktop version is misaligned and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-sr_Cyrl.svg should be used intead of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-sr2.svg for that as former is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource-logo-fr-en.svg updated-to.

Wikinews and Wiktionary follow...

@Ioacc1234red: Please stop edit warring in older Phabricator tasks. Thanks for your understanding.

There are now following files for mobile Serbian Wikinews (first two bullets) and desktop Serbian Wikinews for Latin version that was missing (third bullet):

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikinews_wordmark-sr_Cyrl.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikinews_wordmark-sr_Latn.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiNews-Logo-sr_Latn.svg

If black color is needed for lower logo, near bottom of the mobile page, there are versions available:

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikinews_wordmark-sr_Cyrl_black.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikinews_wordmark-sr_Latn_black.svg

Note that desktop version is of improper text size and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiNews-Logo-sr_Cyrl.svg should be used intead of current image file (unknown where it is, cannot be opened because it is forced URL link) for that as former is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiNews-Logo-en.svg updated-to (vertical alignment during implementing to Main Page should be fixed to match https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiNews-Logo-en.svg, upper globe part is a bit raised in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiNews-Logo-sr_Cyrl.svg / https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiNews-Logo-sr_Latn.svg).

Wiktionary follows...

There are now following files for mobile Serbian Wiktionary (first two bullets) and desktop Serbian Wiktionary for Latin version that was missing (third bullet):

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-wordmark-sr_Cyrl.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-wordmark-sr_Latn.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WiktionarySr_-_DP_Derivative_Latn.svg

If black color is needed for lower logo, near bottom of the mobile page, there are versions available:

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-wordmark-sr_Cyrl_black.svg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-wordmark-sr_Latn_black.svg

Note that desktop version is of improper alignment and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WiktionarySr_-_DP_Derivative.svg needs to be applied (vertical alignment during implementing to Main Page should be fixed to match https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WiktionaryEn_-_DP_Derivative.svg, Serbian desktop comparison gives impression that Serbian logo is a bit lowered and more to the right side; both https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WiktionarySr_-_DP_Derivative.svg & https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WiktionarySr_-_DP_Derivative_Latn.svg are applicable).

I've completed my part. Patches and stuff can start now... Remember that this task is for resolving appearance of Cyrillic logos when dropdown-menu option is Lat. and appearance of Cyrillic Contents when dropdown-menu option is Lat. (two chief points to note-out). If this is done, there would be neither one problem with displaying content on Serbian Wikipedia — all page elements: translated.

For srwikisource and srwiktionary: we require the height of the site logo be less than 155px when it has a 135px width. Please resize if possible.
For srwikinews: Current logo is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiNews-Logo-sr.svg per T172255. As the word is changed significantly, please open a discussion on local community. I know there's few people at that site, but this is kind of a mandatory process.

@Stang FYI, I just locked this user, who is a sock of an already locked user (note that the discussion was locally opened by an anonymous user to avoid to be recognized and blocked). See also that Obsuser was subscribed to this task when it was created. Best :)

@Stang: For srwikisource and srwiktionary – done (files: Wikisource-logo-sr Cyrl2.svg / Wikisource-logo-sr Latn2.svg and WiktionarySr - DP Derivative2.svg / WiktionarySr - DP Derivative Latn2.svg); I tried to keep same alignment & size for upper main logo (non-text) part. For srwikinews – I did not change the word; check currently /2023-03-04 21:06:12 CET/ displayed version (they've changed it from the one you cited after T172255).

@FriedrickMILBarbarossa Do you agree with this change? The new sock also was locked!

WP:DENY. As for the proposed changes themselves, I talked about this matter with another Serbian administrator, but we neither really know nor understand what this editor is attempting to achieve.

Someone should lock https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Onecommaccount/ as well here, having in mind that it is locked on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Onecommaccount.

In T324545#8666231, @Stang wrote:

I could abandon my patch, but frankly I have to say I don't see any issue for adding wordmark/tagline to these projects. With the progress of deploying vector-2022 skin to all sites, it has to be done in some day.

Oh, we don't have it really?

$ ls -l | grep sr
-rw-r--r-- 1 koi koi 22394 Nov 27 09:25 wikipedia-tagline-srn.svg
-rw-r--r-- 1 koi koi 32287 Mar  3 19:56 wikipedia-tagline-sr.svg
-rw-r--r-- 1 koi koi 11023 Mar  3 19:56 wikipedia-wordmark-sr.svg

I mean projects except srwiki.

Change 892955 abandoned by Stang:

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Update logo/wordmark/tagline for Serbian project

Reason:

T324545#8995487

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/892955