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Mon Rhymes page ကာရန်:အေက်သပရေန်တဝ်/ito has no place to connect to Wikidata. This is unlike Rhymes:Esperanto/ito which does have an link to Wikidata, which is the expected behavior.

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Aklapper changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Dec 22 2022, 3:54 PM

Hi @Intodesa, thanks for taking the time to report this! I do not understand what this is asking for. What blocks you from creating a page?

If this is some configuration change, then please explain what is wanted, and follow https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes - thanks.

FWIW, it looks like they mean a "Rhymes" namespace. (The pages starting with "ကာရန်:" are currently in the main namespace.) But, yeah... Intodesa, you will need to provide a little more information, as outlined on the page that Aklapper pointed you to.

Please forgive me for not fully writing the meaning of the request as I have been very busy, but Mon Wiktionary does not yet have a Wikidata Link connection for the Rhymes page, so I requested to add it, if compare the two page links I provided on Rhymes in English Wiktionary and Mon Wiktionary, can see the problem at hand, thanks.

Aklapper renamed this task from Rhymes page add request for Mon Wiktionary to Add Rhymes namespace for Mon Wiktionary.Dec 23 2022, 9:38 AM
Aklapper changed the task status from Stalled to Open.

[...] Mon Wiktionary does not yet have a Wikidata Link connection for the Rhymes page, so I requested to add it

So, you are trying to make a "Wikidata item" link appear in the sidebar, as it does (under "Tools") on the page at the English Wiktionary?

I will also note that there are no interlanguage links on the Mon page, as there are on the English and German equivalents, as provided by the Wikidata item. Presumably this is a configuration problem?

(@Aklapper: although the wiki should probably have a "Rhymes" namespace called "ကာရန်", that's not what this request is about.)

According to the name used by English Wiktionary, if translated into Mon, it is as follows.

  1. Appendix: = အဆက်လက္ကရဴ:
  2. Rhymes: = ကာရန်ဂမၠိုၚ် (a complete description of this term) The term Rhymes:/ကာရန်ဂမၠိုၚ်: does not correspond to Mon literary writing, so we will use Rhyme:/ကာရန်: , but (s/ဂမၠိုၚ်) from Mon literature can't be used in the front of a word like English words.
  3. Reconstruction: = ဗီုပြင်သိုင်တၟိ (a complete description of this term)

the term Reconstruction: is not an appropriate word in the Mon language, so it has been named Rebuilding:/ဗီုပြင်သိုင်တၟိ
I think will understand what I am explaining now, thanks.

that's not what this request is about.

@Dcljr / @Intodesa: Please feel very welcome to correct the task title then, as I'm not sure anymore what this ticket is requesting :)

I'm not sure anymore what this ticket is requesting :)

Me neither. (!)

What exactly is being requested here? New namespaces? Fixing things that don't work right? Both? (In which case, they should be dealt with in separate tasks.)

Regardless of what is being requested, a consensus to make the change(s) will need to be demonstrated, in the form of a discussion on the Mon Wiktionary itself. That discussion will (presumably) serve to clarify what is needed. This should probably take place on the wiki's Community portal / Village pump (although I'm not sure any of the wiki's active users will be watching that page).

Aklapper renamed this task from Add Rhymes namespace for Mon Wiktionary to Rhymes page add request for Mon Wiktionary.Dec 25 2022, 10:49 AM

that's not what this request is about.

@Dcljr / @Intodesa: Please feel very welcome to correct the task title then, as I'm not sure anymore what this ticket is requesting :)

The names I have given and the names I have used are 100% correct. I myself am a Mon scholar who has studied in 6 countries, thanks.

I'm not sure anymore what this ticket is requesting :)

Me neither. (!)

What exactly is being requested here? New namespaces? Fixing things that don't work right? Both? (In which case, they should be dealt with in separate tasks.)

Regardless of what is being requested, a consensus to make the change(s) will need to be demonstrated, in the form of a discussion on the Mon Wiktionary itself. That discussion will (presumably) serve to clarify what is needed. This should probably take place on the wiki's Community portal / Village pump (although I'm not sure any of the wiki's active users will be watching that page).

Includes links to sample requests, Please check the links I have provided, thanks.

If still don't understand what I'm talking about, look at the reference photo below and I would also like to take a closer look at the link page I provided, thanks.

Please upload such photos here, as I'm not sure this is in scope for Commons itself. Thanks :)

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Sorry, I don't know how to use Phabricator wikimedia yet, so I don't know how to upload photos to Phabricator wikimedia, I'm also not an expert on Wikipedia projects, and I still have a lot to learn about how to use them, thanks.

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@Intodesa: (intentionally using simple english) So, the issue clearly is that the page can not be linked to Wikidata. But, there is an issue underneath that one, which causes the page not to be linkable. Not sure to what extent, tho. In order to fix this, we need an namespace called "ကာရန်" in an seperate task, an task like T314023, just for "ကာရန်" instead of "Appendix" or "အဆက်လက္ကရဴ". That also means there needs to be an discussion on mnw.wiktionary on this namespace, just like there was one with Appendix.

Aklapper changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Jan 10 2023, 9:39 PM

@Intodesa: Please see the last comment and follow https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes for that - thanks a lot!

Unfortunately closing this Phabricator task as no further information has been provided.

@Intodesa: After you have provided the information asked for and if this is still wanted, please set the status of this task back to "Open" via the Add Action...Change Status dropdown. Thanks!