See also previous discussion in T406178: Add draft namespace to Igbo Wikipedia (please include context - thanks!)

It would be helpful to have input from someone familiar with the process of renaming namespaces due to spelling mistakes.

1. Should the incorrect name be retained as a namespace alias for backwards-compatibility, or should it be scrubbed for simplicity?
2. Does namespaceDupes.php need to be run? And if it does, does a bot then need to mass move the talk pages to the right title?
3. Does a bot need to be run to replace string [[Ṅkàtá: with string [[Ńkàtá:? I think it does.

It's a bit of a mess, but fixable.

In T407507#11283805, @Bugreporter2 wrote:

It would be helpful to have input from someone familiar with the process of renaming namespaces due to spelling mistakes.

1. Should the incorrect name be retained as a namespace alias for backwards-compatibility, or should it be scrubbed for simplicity?

Definitely, but that's pretty easy.

1. Does namespaceDupes.php need to be run? And if it does, does a bot then need to mass move the talk pages to the right title?

Yes, I think that something should run, but I don't remember what it is by heart. @Ladsgroup or @matmarex probably remember it better than I do.

1. Does a bot need to be run to replace string [[Ṅkàtá: with string [[Ńkàtá:? I think it does.

Maybe, but I'd say that it's optional and not very high-priority. If the community wants, the community can do it.

A much more important thing is this: I strongly urge @KingChristLike and other Igbo speakers who are interested in this change to double-check that the new proposed spelling is correct. The current spelling came from a community discussion here: https://ig.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Nz%E1%BB%8Dr_ogbako&oldid=171993#Namespace_names

Given that "Talk" is one of the most prominent namespaces, it's really important to get it right. I'm not saying that the new proposed spelling is wrong; it's quite possible that it's good. I just very strongly recommend checking it with dictionaries and language experts and having another thorough community discussion about it.

Another link that may be useful: Here's the change from the older namespace names to the current ones: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/1049639

It was a pretty radical change, and there were several discussions before it.

Hi @Amire80, I confirm that the new proposed spellings are correct.

In T407507#11283799, @Bugreporter2 wrote:

• But, per codesearch, DiscussionTools and Android App (Android Design) also use the misspelling.

DiscussionTools only uses it in a translation file. If the namespace gets renamed, translators will need to update the messages on translatewiki.net; this doesn’t need DiscussionTools developers. (As far as I understand the Android app file, that’s automatically generated, but someone needs to trigger the generation, so it probably indeed needs an update from developers.)

In T407507#11283989, @KingChristLike wrote:

Hi @Amire80, I confirm that the new proposed spellings are correct.

Can you please link to a new discussion about it in an Igbo wiki? The discussion itself can (and should) be in Igbo.

In T407507#11284217, @Tacsipacsi wrote:

(As far as I understand the Android app file, that’s automatically generated, but someone needs to trigger the generation, so it probably indeed needs an update from developers.)

That is correct - our files are regenerated using a script that we run periodically (manually), but consistently. I'll put this in our backlog and keep an eye on it, so that we can pick up the change when it's made.

In T407507#11284629, @Amire80 wrote:

In T407507#11283989, @KingChristLike wrote:

Hi @Amire80, I confirm that the new proposed spellings are correct.

Can you please link to a new discussion about it in an Igbo wiki? The discussion itself can (and should) be in Igbo.

Here’s a new discussion about it.

In T407507#11287868, @KingChristLike wrote:

In T407507#11284629, @Amire80 wrote:

In T407507#11283989, @KingChristLike wrote:

Hi @Amire80, I confirm that the new proposed spellings are correct.

Can you please link to a new discussion about it in an Igbo wiki? The discussion itself can (and should) be in Igbo.

Here’s a new discussion about it.

Thank you.

I've just realized another thing: It looks like all the talk namespaces use "Ṅkàtá" with dot above and not "Ńkàtá" with the acute accent above. Should they all be changed to "Ńkàtá"? Like Ńkàtá ojiarụ, Ńkàtá otú, etc.? You can see the full list at https://ig.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NamespaceInfo .

In T407507#11287926, @Amire80 wrote:

In T407507#11287868, @KingChristLike wrote:

In T407507#11284629, @Amire80 wrote:

In T407507#11283989, @KingChristLike wrote:

Hi @Amire80, I confirm that the new proposed spellings are correct.

Can you please link to a new discussion about it in an Igbo wiki? The discussion itself can (and should) be in Igbo.

Here’s a new discussion about it.

Thank you.

I've just realized another thing: It looks like all the talk namespaces use "Ṅkàtá" with dot above and not "Ńkàtá" with the acute accent above. Should they all be changed to "Ńkàtá"? Like Ńkàtá ojiarụ, Ńkàtá otú, etc.? You can see the full list at https://ig.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NamespaceInfo .

Yes, they should all be changed.

In T407507#11283866, @Amire80 wrote:

The current spelling came from a community discussion here: https://ig.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Nz%E1%BB%8Dr_ogbako&oldid=171993#Namespace_names

If you read that discussion, you'll see that they wanted Ńkàtá, but something went wrong in the copying process and what should have been N-acute (U+0143) got replaced with N-dot (U+1E44).

It was worth checking with the Ig-wiki community, but they have affirmed what @KingChristLike is saying.

I also asked AI, which handles Igbo fairly well (there are 45 million or so speakers) and it also thinks Ńkàtá is correct and Ṅkàtá is wrong.

In T407507#11287961, @Bugreporter2 wrote:

In T407507#11283866, @Amire80 wrote:

The current spelling came from a community discussion here: https://ig.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Nz%E1%BB%8Dr_ogbako&oldid=171993#Namespace_names

If you read that discussion, you'll see that they wanted Ńkàtá, but something went wrong in the copying process and what should have been N-acute (U+0143) got replaced with N-dot (U+1E44).

If you read that discussion further, an Igbo speaker writes "Ṅkàtá" with dot.

I also asked AI, which handles Igbo fairly well (there are 45 million or so speakers) and it also thinks Ńkàtá is correct and Ṅkàtá is wrong.

Please don't ask "AI" about such things. They must be checked with dictionaries and with humans who know the language.

In T407507#11296800, @Amire80 wrote:

In T407507#11287961, @Bugreporter2 wrote:

In T407507#11283866, @Amire80 wrote:

The current spelling came from a community discussion here: https://ig.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Nz%E1%BB%8Dr_ogbako&oldid=171993#Namespace_names

If you read that discussion, you'll see that they wanted Ńkàtá, but something went wrong in the copying process and what should have been N-acute (U+0143) got replaced with N-dot (U+1E44).

If you read that discussion further, an Igbo speaker writes "Ṅkàtá" with dot.

Apologies. You are correct. You just did as you were told and so it wasn't your fault.

In T407507#11296800, @Amire80 wrote:

In T407507#11287961, @Bugreporter2 wrote:

I also asked AI, which handles Igbo fairly well (there are 45 million or so speakers) and it also thinks Ńkàtá is correct and Ṅkàtá is wrong.

Please don't ask "AI" about such things. They must be checked with dictionaries and with humans who know the language.

Well, I will because it's reliable when it comes to spelling if it's been trained on enough material.

Change #1217265 had a related patch set uploaded (by ToluAyo; author: ToluAyo):

[mediawiki/core@master] ig: Update namespace translations

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1217265

Change #1217265 merged by jenkins-bot:

[mediawiki/core@master] Update Igbo namespace translations

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1217265

Update: The patch updating the namespace names has been made and merged.

In T407507#11451780, @ToluAyo wrote:

Update: The patch updating the namespace names has been made and merged.

Please note that @gerritbot also left a comment about this, you don’t have to post an update to make people aware.

What probably makes sense, on the other hand, is moving the task on the Android workboard, so that Android devs not following this task closely get notified and can run the script mentioned in T407507#11285026. (Sorry if I understood it wrong!)

anything else left to do on this ticket?

dbrant opened https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-wikipedia/pull/6199

Change #1219899 had a related patch set uploaded (by ToluAyo; author: ToluAyo):

[mediawiki/core@master] Add Igbo (ig) namespace translations update to RELEASE-NOTES-1.46

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1219899

Change #1219899 merged by jenkins-bot:

[mediawiki/core@master] Add Igbo (ig) namespace translations update to RELEASE-NOTES-1.46

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1219899

Williamrai closed https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-wikipedia/pull/6199