This is great -- we just made a change to show the "user menu" to all logged in users and not only AMC enabled, so this is a very good next step to show to logged out users! (although, this hasn't been deployed to production wikis yet, it's currently in beta cluster) https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T413912

I chatted a bit with @KStoller-WMF regarding the timing of deploying this change for logged out users, and I was thinking it might be good for it to go out when the reading list beta launches on web. Reason being, this change will make it a lot easier for users to organically sign up for an account, but currently, there are no reader-centric features for non-editors to do once they do have an account.

Once we have the reading list beta feature available, newly created accounts will be automatically opted into it when they sign up, so they will have at least one feature that makes it worthwhile to stay logged in. Were you thinking of working on this now and deploying later? Or aiming to deploy to production ASAP?

In T415648#11608858, @HFan-WMF wrote:

I chatted a bit with @KStoller-WMF regarding the timing of deploying this change for logged out users, and I was thinking it might be good for it to go out when the reading list beta launches on web. Reason being, this change will make it a lot easier for users to organically sign up for an account, but currently, there are no reader-centric features for non-editors to do once they do have an account.

Once we have the reading list beta feature available, newly created accounts will be automatically opted into it when they sign up, so they will have at least one feature that makes it worthwhile to stay logged in. Were you thinking of working on this now and deploying later? Or aiming to deploy to production ASAP?

@KStoller-WMF is the best person to say, but it is my understanding that we want to run an experiment with this as part of our main KR WE1.8, either in the current or next quarter, probably with its own small hypothesis attached to it. However, this is only intended to start after we've run a previous experiment around improving the account creation form, which is still under investigation (which drags on because of some Revise Tone work that is still keeping us busy).

So in essence: this is probably more of a "working on this now and deploying later" kind of situation.

What tentative timeline do you have in mind for the reading list beta feature?

I agree that we should not move forward with a broad deployment until the reading list feature is available.

@HFan-WMF As an initial step, would you be comfortable with Growth running a limited A/B test on a small percentage of logged out traffic across three to four pilot wikis? This would allow us to evaluate the impact in a controlled way. If the hypothesis is validated, we could then pause and wait to proceed with wider rollout until reading lists are more broadly available. (As Michael mentions, we have a few other competing experiments right now, but we might be able to release this experiment sooner if we pick a different set of pilot wikis).

The release plan is not yet clearly outlined in this task. If this approach seems reasonable, I can create a subtask that details the proposed experiment design and rollout plan.

Hi @AAlhazwani-WMF, I wanted to clarify expectations for users who have temporary accounts. The task opens with "As a logged-out mobile web user." Would that group include users with temporary accounts? Or is the experience unchanged for temporary accounts? Please let me know, thanks. 🙏🏻

In T415648#11622436, @EMcFarland-WMF wrote:

Hi @AAlhazwani-WMF, I wanted to clarify expectations for users who have temporary accounts. The task opens with "As a logged-out mobile web user." Could you please confirm that users with temporary accounts are included in the "logged-out mobile web users" group? Thanks!

yes @EMcFarland-WMF, correct!

cc @EMill-WMF @Niharika @KieranMcCann-WMF because i know that PSI has been working on removing/improving the logged-out temp account grey bar.

Change #1240759 had a related patch set uploaded (by EMcFarland; author: EMcFarland):

[mediawiki/skins/MinervaNeue@master] Display user account button in mobile web header.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1240759

Test wiki created on Patch demo by AAlhazwani (WMF) using patch(es) linked to this task:
https://12353b1892.catalyst.wmcloud.org/w/

Change #1248412 had a related patch set uploaded (by EMcFarland; author: EMcFarland):

[integration/config@master] Add TestKitchen as a dependency for MinervaNeue

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1248412

Change #1248412 merged by jenkins-bot:

[integration/config@master] Zuul: [mediawiki/skins/MinervaNeue] Add TestKitchen as a dependency

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1248412

Change #1240759 merged by jenkins-bot:

[mediawiki/skins/MinervaNeue@master] Display user account button in mobile web header.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1240759

@EMcFarland-WMF The user icon for logged out users is not shown on enwiki ebta or on https://12353b1892.catalyst.wmcloud.org/wiki/Main_Page (the instance lists correct patches applied).

Is the feature behind some flag?

In T415648#11708435, @Etonkovidova wrote:

@EMcFarland-WMF The user icon for logged out users is not shown on enwiki ebta or on https://12353b1892.catalyst.wmcloud.org/wiki/Main_Page (the instance lists correct patches applied).

Is the feature behind some flag?

I'm not sure about the patch-demo wiki, but on enwiki beta you can see it with the test-kitchen override for the experiment: https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmcloud.org/wiki/Main_Page?mpo=we-1-8-mobile-account-menu:treatment

Hi Elena, I apologize for missing your question last week. You can’t see the change in patch demo because TestKitchen is not available in patch demo. As Michael said, you should be able to view it at https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmcloud.org/wiki/Main_Page?mpo=we-1-8-mobile-account-menu:treatment, but beta appears to be loading very slowly right now for that link…. I’m unsure why.

@Etonkovidova That is good to hear. Thanks for testing.

Test wiki on Patch demo by AAlhazwani (WMF) using patch(es) linked to this task was deleted:

https://12353b1892.catalyst.wmcloud.org/w/