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Remove "Needs Volunteer" pseudo-priority
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"Needs Volunteer" is listed by this install as a priority level. I have no idea what this means, it's like having a list of values "1, 2, 3, 4, APPLE". APPLE > 1? APPLE < 1?

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flimport raised the priority of this task from to Needs Triage.Sep 12 2014, 1:48 AM
flimport set Reference to fl610.

aklapper wrote on 2014-09-03 15:14:52 (UTC)

See T436. It resembles lowest priority in Bugzilla but makes it clearer that nothing's going to happen if you don't do it yourself while sounding less negative.

Nemo_bis wrote on 2014-09-03 17:36:19 (UTC)

To me it sounds more negative.

Nemo_bis wrote on 2014-09-03 17:47:30 (UTC)

  1. What sense does "Need volunteer" make in the (vast majority of) components maintained by volunteers?
  2. Was the morale issue of considering volunteer time something low value/priority considered?
  3. Is there any evidence that "Need volunteer" is broadly understood as meaning "low priority"? (I read it the opposite way.)
  4. If there is a need to tag tasks in need of volunteers, why not use a keyword (i.e. a project) instead of a pseudo-priority?

aklapper wrote on 2014-09-03 18:15:48 (UTC)

Which other term do you propose? Staying with "lowest"?

In T610#8, @Nemo_bis wrote:
  1. What sense does "Need volunteer" make in the (vast majority of) components maintained by volunteers?

To me that's irrelevant as I can also volunteer to do something while being paid. If there's a better term to express "I volunteer to do something" instead of "I am not getting paid", please share it.

  1. Was the morale issue of considering volunteer time something low value/priority considered?

Who considers volunteer time low value?

  1. Is there any evidence that "Need volunteer" is broadly understood as meaning "low priority"? (I read it the opposite way.)

No evidence. Again, if you have a better term for "If you don't do this yourself it won't happen" please share it. :)

aklapper wrote on 2014-09-03 18:18:19 (UTC)

And removing that priority is still WONTFIX so I'm declining this. You can discuss renaming it though.
(Phab allows adding comments without changing the status, similar to Bugzilla.)

qgil wrote on 2014-09-03 20:42:13 (UTC)

My take on points not covered by Andre:

In T610#8, @Nemo_bis wrote:
  1. What sense does "Need volunteer" make in the (vast majority of) components maintained by volunteers?

It is irrelevant whether the maintainers are volunteers or professionals. The point is that the maintainers of a component are saying that a task will need a volunteer (someone external to the team) to move forward.

  1. Was the morale issue of considering volunteer time something low value/priority considered?

I see no morale here, but pragmatism: "based on our priorities we don't have time to address this task, although we would welcome someone else working on it".

  1. Is there any evidence that "Need volunteer" is broadly understood as meaning "low priority"? (I read it the opposite way.)

No broad evidence as of today, but to me "Needs Volunteer" tells a more precise message than "Lowest", a term that only insider know to read as "We are not going to work on this".

If a task is considered to have high priority by the maintainers, then the maintainers themselves should work on it.

  1. If there is a need to tag tasks in need of volunteers, why not use a keyword (i.e. a project) instead of a pseudo-priority?

You would still need to assign a priority for these "lowest" priority tasks. Which one?

I proposed something similar to denote different types of "Declined", but we decided to keep it simple based n the assumption that a % of people is lazy and will not do the extra step of linking a task to an additional project. See http://fab.wmflabs.org/T359#41

I think it is worth starting with the current set of priorities and check how users react. I think the priority levels decided are an improvement over Bugzilla's already.

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flimport closed this task as Declined.Sep 12 2014, 1:48 AM