John Broughton: <<So there is now a new toolbar, and - bizarrely - the icons for media, reference, reference list, and transclusion '''are no longer visible'''. They are now under the "More" menu.
Okay, one could argue that these four are, somehow, ''advanced'' editing options (no matter how critical they are to editing articles). But I'd love to hear from someone as to why Bold and Italic (the first in particular ''rarely'' used in articles) still have icons visible on the toolbar, while five other formatting options are now under "More". It really, really would have been better to have a "Format text" drop-down menu that had all seven text formatting options on it, and to leave the media, reference, reference list, and transclusion icons where they were, visible on the toolbar. Or, worst case, leave them under the "More" menu [one more click, and thus one less reason for experienced editors to use VE, because this '''makes it more cumbersome to use''' those four things]; at least then they wouldn't be paired with formatting options with which they have little in common. [...] (And don't even get me started on the ''sequence'' within the new "More" drop-down menu - apparently the ''least'' important choices are at the ''top'' because that's the way that ''no one else'' does drop-down menus, so obviously everyone else is wrong?!?)>>
Andrew Davidson: <<Bold formatting is not rarely used. It is used in all articles right at the beginning to emphasise the name of the topic and any synonyms. But this usage is quite specialised and subject to the conventions of our manual of style. The VE should understand this. Either the use of bold text should be handled by a style sheet/template/wizard approach to article creation. Or the appearance of the bold option in the toolbar should be context sensitive so that it only appears when editing the lead of an article and warnings appears if it seems to be used incorrectly. >>
Salix alba: <<One problem I get is the toolbar frequently splits into two lines. If my browser less than 1100 pixels then the toolbar wraps leaving lots of white space which could be usefully filled. I'd be happier either with single line with more drop downs or two full lines, just not empty space.
I guess different editors will want different things on a toolbar. Doing inline maths you would want italics, sub, and sup to be easily added plus greek symbols eiπ. Other editors will have different requirements. Tooltips would be handy to get shortcuts for each action, (no I will not read the help page). The wikitext editor's toolbar manages to make a lot of things easily accessible.>>