Important consideration: Needs to look good on T-shirts.

chipdong wrote:

This is my proposed design for Parsoid.

Designed it with flat design style so that it will be easier to print on tshirt as required. Any constructive feedback and criticism are welcomed, thanks!

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I like the idea. The black dot in the center seems to visually obstrusive to me, though. My suggestion is either to do something clever to the black dot to make it as significant as its visual weight warrants (ie, the black dot is instead a circular "JS"), or else to de-emphasize it.

Incidentally, sunflowers have a nice fibonacci spiral in the center (see http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emat6680/parveen/fib_nature.htm). Perhaps replacing the solid dot with black lines making an appropriate spiral would also help reduce some of the weight.

nicereddy1 wrote:

(In reply to chipdong from comment #2)

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This is my proposed design for Parsoid.

Designed it with flat design style so that it will be easier to print on
tshirt as required. Any constructive feedback and criticism are welcomed,
thanks!

Has there been progress on this? I think the sunflower design is beautiful, just needs a bit of tinkering. Maybe change the black in the center to the tan-ish color surrounding it, then make it a bit darker to differentiate? I think the spiral idea would complicate it too much visually.

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@chipdong I really like your logo proposal, would it be possible for you to upload it to Wikimedia Commons with licensing information? That way we'd be able to use it. An SVG version would be great too :)

chipdong wrote:

Hi all,

Thanks for all the comment and feedback, this is both encouraging and exciting for me!

I created the Parsoid logo last year during a Wikipedia hackathon and the mailing list comments fall into my spam folder, so I did not get a chance to look at them until Arlo emailed me personally yesterday.

Since it's been a while, I tried to search for the original AI file but it's lost. I will try to trace back the original version and upload the AI file soon.

Regarding licensing, I would like to list my work under "Attribution Non-commercial No Derivatives (by-nc-nd)". Please let me know whether this is possible.

Thanks again, and I really appreciate the enthusiasm and feedback of y'all!

Warmest regards,
Chip

nc- and nd-licensed filed cannot be used by most wikimedia projects without a fair use reason.

Hi Chip!

Thanks again for your time, we really like your logo :) Unfortunately, as Isarra pointed out, we couldn't use it for the Parsoid project if you released it under -NC or -ND. Here's some more information about which licenses we can use in wikimedia projects:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing#Acceptable_licenses

Cheers,
Marc

Ping @Isarra -- I wonder if we could get this task unstuck? The Parsing team needs new T-shirts for our Sept offsite.

Okay, question - in a way, does this sort of just depend on making a new mw logo that meets requirements, such that then parsoid can have an appropriate derivative logo that is actually usable in print etc?

There's also the 2013 version from the file history. We used it on the VE release shirts.

The only reason this version didn't stick is because the then-lead dev vetoed it, but if the current team are happy with it we could restore it?

@Esanders that's, er, aggressively minimalist?

I think Chip's version pretty much checked all the boxes for our original wish list. Maybe we should think further out of the box for v2. The language team has a nice simple logo which is just characters next to each other. I wonder if a similar idea expressing that we turn [ and { into < could work?

As a wordmark, that version's pretty good.

"It's not even valid SGML"

So what have been all the versions and what are y'all really after, here?

In T58656#4434920, @Isarra wrote:

So what have been all the versions and what are y'all really after, here?

I personally dont mind the minimalist version, but I think @cscott is looking for something more graphical for a t-shirt that is also a play on the mediawiki logo ... from "organic" and wikitext brackets to "structured" and html with the < and > brackets .. which is where scott says that chip's version above ticks off the boxes minus the license issues.

For the historical record, @Isarra pointed me at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parsoid_terrible_logo.svg -- terrible horrible wikitext goes in to the pot, beautiful sparklies come out.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parsoid_word_logo.svg and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parsoid_blob_logo.svg

Also, er, if you do use those and actually want better metrics and stuff, you might want to... get someone who's had less beer to... make things line up better?

I slightly tweaked @Isarra's teapot logo to mash it together with Trevor's logo because, uh, I like slanted stems on my p and d's? So, hey, choices. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parsoid_terrible_logo.svg

@Isarra and @cscott think that a purple T-shirt with the terrible teapot on the front, and <parsoid> on the back would be pretty ... "terrible"? In the best sense of the word.

I want one. Thanks.

I think @Trevor-at-Wikia probably should get one as well, considering we (ab)used his wordmark.

I thought I'd see what it would look like with the stems angled the other way...

In T58656#4443395, @cscott wrote:

I slightly tweaked @Isarra's teapot logo to mash it together with Trevor's logo because, uh, I like slanted stems on my p and d's? So, hey, choices. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parsoid_terrible_logo.svg

This is my preferred logo ... optional improvement would be to make the sunflower more "structured" like in the chip version above. I personally don't like the teapot sparkles idea so much. :)

Teapot is "fun" logo, for team T-shirts. The one @ssastry likes would be the "official" logo, for the wiki, etc. The version with just the brackets and the sunflower (without the word "parsoid") would be appropriate for compact use, for example on the sheet of little hexagon logo stickers that somehow appear at every wikimania/hackathon/allhands.

In T58656#4443530, @cscott wrote:

Teapot is "fun" logo, for team T-shirts. The one @ssastry likes would be the "official" logo, for the wiki, etc. The version with just the brackets and the sunflower (without the word "parsoid") would be appropriate for compact use, for example on the sheet of little hexagon logo stickers that somehow appear at every wikimania/hackathon/allhands.

That would be pretty confusing. I think logo should be just the same thing everywhere. But, for the T-shirt, if you want, you could add the tea cup as an additional image on the front / back ... as additional imagery to complement the logo.

In T58656#4443536, @ssastry wrote:

In T58656#4443530, @cscott wrote:

Teapot is "fun" logo, for team T-shirts. The one @ssastry likes would be the "official" logo, for the wiki, etc. The version with just the brackets and the sunflower (without the word "parsoid") would be appropriate for compact use, for example on the sheet of little hexagon logo stickers that somehow appear at every wikimania/hackathon/allhands.

That would be pretty confusing. I think logo should be just the same thing everywhere. But, for the T-shirt, if you want, you could add the tea cup as an additional image on the front / back ... as additional imagery to complement the logo.

But, t-shirt design is your call. :-) I was just commenting on what I feel the logo should be and think it should be consistent everywhere.

In T58656#4443424, @cscott wrote:

I think @Trevor-at-Wikia probably should get one as well, considering we (ab)used his wordmark.

That's the wrong Trevor :)

I told cscott in person that I liked the teapot - it'll serve as a great conversation starter for one. I wasn't sure really which should be on the front or back though, since the backs of t-shirts often get covered by jackets.

https://www.zazzle.com/collections/parsoid_team_shirts-119825369932819057

Note: zazzle's indexer is slow; it will probably take 24hrs (from 2018-08-15 2100 UTC) before the above URL has non-broken links.

(Noting that I would be pretty upset if I didn't get a Parsoid t-shirt when you make one.)

In T58656#4529795, @Elitre wrote:

(Noting that I would be pretty upset if I didn't get a Parsoid t-shirt when you make one.)

Check your email. :-)