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Chinese characters italicized on Wikipedia
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Author: bugzilla

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Example of unreadable italicized Chinese characters in Wikipedia

This regards the English version of Wikipedia.

When Chinese characters are used as part of a title or similar text section that is enclosed inside a pair of doubled quotes (''), the Chinese characters are italicized. This is not in line with the best practice of writing Chinese. Also it makes the characters unreadable in some typefaces.

''Fusion of Music and Calendar 乐律融通''

Example taken from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament#Early_history_2

This could be seen as a problem that the browser (in my case Firefox) should take care of. However there's no reason that Wikipedia would tell the browser that Chinese characters be italicized -- instead it should add emphasis mark to the character. When Chinese characters are used in the English Wikipedia I think that this would be done automatically if the characters occur inside '':s

http://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-decor-3/#text-emphasis-style-property


Version: wmf-deployment
Severity: enhancement

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chinese_italics.GIF (415×109 px, 3 KB)

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bzimport raised the priority of this task from to Lowest.Nov 22 2014, 2:34 AM
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It is italicized because that's exactly what the wikitext says:
''Fusion of Music and Calendar 乐律融通''

This is not in line with the best practice of writing Chinese.

I'd agree with this on a Chinese Wikipedia, however not sure if that would help readers on an English Wikipedia which might not be used to best practices of writing Chinese.

I'm tempted to close this as WONTFIX as coming up with some code might be more work (and introduce more problems) than ignoring the current problem...

bugzilla wrote:

I'd agree with this on a Chinese Wikipedia, however not sure if that would help

readers on an English Wikipedia which might not be used to best practices of
writing Chinese.

Yes, I understand your arguments, also I don't have an overview of how complicated it would be to implement a solution.

However, there's still no reason for the Chinese text to be italicized, since it makes it unreadable. The Chinese text in the title is there so that an English reader can use it to identify the title in Chinese if he/she sees it, not as an exotic decoration. Therefore it's important that it can actually be read, which I would say is not the case if it is italicized.

It is natural for the editor of English Wikipedia to include also the Chinese name of the title inside of '':s, since the style manual says that work titles should be inside of '':s. Therefore it's also logical that such a wikitext will produce a graphically pleasing result for the reader.

(In reply to comment #2)

However, there's still no reason for the Chinese text to be italicized, since
it makes it unreadable.

Correct, however I see the right way to fix this by editing wikipages which have it wrong.

Aklapper changed the subtype of this task from "Task" to "Feature Request".Feb 4 2022, 11:14 AM
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There is no issue of the sort that is tracked in Phabricator here. If the community writes Chinese characters in italic markup in wikitext, then the software is faithfully representing that request by sending italicized Chinese characters as HTML. This would need (if it it still wanted a decade later) to be discussed with the community, not here.