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Open up Deletion tag log for non PageCuration user scripts
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At the moment only PageCuration can enter tagging into the Deletion tag log. There are other methods of tagging a article (Twinkle for example) and they are barred from enter tags into the log. This gives undue weight to Page Curation, and I believe a system should be enabled to allow user scripts to populate the log in some manner.


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AzaToth created this task.Jul 11 2014, 3:20 PM
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Why does https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_Curation#Log:Marked_for_Deletion say "This functionality works regardless of how the template is injected into the page" when it doesn't?

It is not only Twinkle that fails to get entries in the log, even manually added templates are not logged.

That page is just wrong.

There appears to still be some disparity between Page Curation, and Twinkle when Twinkle among its many other functions is being used as a page patroller tool. Ideally, specifically deletion tags, i.e. PROD, BLPPROD, CSD, AfD, should only be applied to articles by by New Page Reviewers.

There appears to still be some disparity between Page Curation, and Twinkle when Twinkle among its many other functions is being used as a page patroller tool. Ideally, specifically deletion tags, i.e. PROD, BLPPROD, CSD, AfD, should only be applied to articles by by New Page Reviewers.

Where is that coming from? There absolutely should not be any such restriction. "Anyone can edit" implies the explicit case that anyone can propose a deletion. Besides anything else, deletion tags do not always concern new pages, so limiting to New Page Reviewers is not practical.

kaldari updated the task description. (Show Details)Jun 18 2017, 8:23 PM

I would like to reiterate that there has never been any consensus that deletion tagging should be restricted to New Page Reviewers. Such a proposal did not form part of the RfC and to my knowledge, such a proposal has never been made. Quite to the contrary, IP editors are permitted to take articles to AfD. If something doesn't meet our policy, we want to know about it.

I'd like to express my support for this task, as it would remove the need for Twinkle's CSD and PROD logs, something which I find a incredibly bloaty idea and which I would welcome the chance to replace with a MediaWiki log.

I would also like to reiterate that there has never been any consensus that deletion tagging should be restricted to New Page Reviewers. Such a proposal did not form part of the RfC and to my knowledge, such a proposal has never been made. However, if you are going to cite policy, please cite all of it, including:
Only a registered, logged-in user can complete steps II and III. (Autoconfirmed registered users can also use the Twinkle tool to make nominations.) If you are unregistered, you should complete step I, note the justification for deletion on the article's talk page, then post a message at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion requesting that someone else complete the process.

I think it's essential that patrols, CSD logs, and PROD logs should be in one pace only and combine the taggings irrespective of whether they are done manually, thriugh Twinkle, or through Page Curation.

I would also like to reiterate that there has never been any consensus that deletion tagging should be restricted to New Page Reviewers. Such a proposal did not form part of the RfC and to my knowledge, such a proposal has never been made. However, if you are going to cite policy, please cite all of it, including:
Only a registered, logged-in user can complete steps II and III. (Autoconfirmed registered users can also use the Twinkle tool to make nominations.) If you are unregistered, you should complete step I, note the justification for deletion on the article's talk page, then post a message at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion requesting that someone else complete the process.

You had made what I saw as an extraordinary comment, and Spinningspark had responded using the pillars, but hadn't really refuted the lack of consensus for that point of view, so I expanded a little. AfD's requirement for registered user intervention is simply a technical detail due to unregistered users being unable to create project subpages, and was just an example I picked to demonstrate the intended openness of the deletion policy. If you disagree with this, then perhaps Phabricator is not the place for extended discussion, but I'd happily discuss more on-wiki.

I think it's essential that patrols, CSD logs, and PROD logs should be in one pace only and combine the taggings irrespective of whether they are done manually, thriugh Twinkle, or through Page Curation.

@Kudpung I'm not sure we're in disagreement over this task then. That is exactly what I'm in support of.

A save hook-based implemention for both taggings and untaggings is also the first step towards a better version of Special:AbuseFilter/29. I will happily volunteer to make any necessary tweaks to Twinkle if need be.