appears to be working now :)

https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitten_on_arbitrary_page (and the wbc_entity_usage table is updated)

and correctly not working yet on test2:

https://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrary_kitten

when I run dispatch changes for test.wikidata, I see https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitten get updated but not https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitten_on_arbitrary_page (assume this is still a @todo to get that to work)

I also don't see Wikidata entries in recent changes or watchlist on test.wikipedia, but do see them on my local dev wiki (with usage tracking enabled) and see them on test2. needs further investigation why changes are not appearing on test.wikipedia, but otherwise seems to work ok now.

see T87026 (probably a config issue), T87010 (a blocker) and T87009

In T86187#981915, @aude wrote:

see T87026 (probably a config issue), T87010 (a blocker) and T87009

Are these the issues referenced at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deployments&diff=141185&oldid=141045 ?

(Please link blocking bugs/tracking bugs in the future, since you have them :) )

And actually.

Jan 21st (Wed) is All Hands for WMF (Wed and Thurs next week). Monday is a holiday for the US. So...

We won't be running the train next week but will allow one-off low-impact things on Tuesday. No deploys (except really important) on Wed/Thurs due to all of ops and releng etc will be doing All Hands things.

In T86187#982011, @greg wrote:

Jan 21st (Wed) is All Hands for WMF (Wed and Thurs next week). Monday is a holiday for the US. So...

We won't be running the train next week but will allow one-off low-impact things on Tuesday. No deploys (except really important) on Wed/Thurs due to all of ops and releng etc will be doing All Hands things.

https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Week_of_19th

Summary:

Week of 19th

• No MediaWiki train deploy due to WMF All Hands
• No deploys Mon/Wed/Thurs/Fri
• SWAT/etc on Tues OK

Week of 27th

• No MediaWiki train deploy due to MediaWiki Dev Summit
• SWAT all week as normal
• no other deploys Mon/Tuesday

now tentatively scheduled for (monday) February 2

What time on Monday the 2nd do you want?

later in the day is good... maybe 19:00 UTC?

Added: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deployments&diff=142464&oldid=142432

@Reedy: Can you help with that deploy if needed? ^^ (19:00 UTC on Monday)

i actually don't know how long populating the table will take. we might go ahead and add it earlier and start the script earlier in the day. idk what time.

then the enabling should be fairly quick and easy. (already did it for test.*)

Hi Lydia --

Could you please help us understand the user impact of this feature? (Sorry -- just getting up to speed on this stuff)

thanks,

-Toby

@Tnegrin for Wikidata itself, should be no difference since arbitrary access is already enabled there. (e.g. access properties and items on any wiki page, such as list of properties)

usage tracking provides internal tracking of where an item is used on which wiki page, and then will allow us to automatically purge/update that wiki page when the item changes. (not sure how much automatic purging we will already have at this point, though)

we then hope to enable on commons next, but not sure when... commons does not have arbitrary access yet, so they will get usage tracking + arbitrary access which is a bigger deal.

the internal tracking will definitely allow us to have more stats on what is used, how much, where, etc.

@Manybubbles explained this to Bryan and I, and I'm going to attempt to explain this as simply as I can:

This is step 1 of 3(?) toward arbitrary list item transclusion (T49930) on Wikipedia et all. This aspect of it is basically the "related changes" bit that allows for proper purging (but doesn't actually do it).