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Readers "Thank" for an article and its authors as a whole
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Proposal: A simple link or button at the bottom of the article "Thank the authors" or something similar. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Author_Thanks

Purposes:

  • Get readers interacting on wikipedia with a very simple interface. Helps them understand that the article is edited by real people. Help editors see the effects of their work.
  • ...

Challenges:

  • Concern about privacy, too many notifications. Who gets the thanks? If I change a comma to a semi-colon, do I get to share in the thanks with the people who made more substantial contributions? Should I be getting thanks for articles I wrote in 2007, like a moral residual of some kind?
    • Maybe the last 5 editors to the article (excluding bots/IPs, excluding reverts, maybe a byte change minimum), but it would also be cool to see an article you worked on years ago is still being read and appreciated
      • What if the last 5 (or any other amount) are just reverts and readds of useless content (still when they aren't from IP's)? Maybe it should be more like a "more than 5% of meaningful bytes of the page"?
    • Or do something like: "10 people have seen the article since you last edited it", "Readership has increased with 20% after your edits" But this doesn't involve readers interacting

Imported from https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/New_Ideas_for_Editing

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Nemo_bis renamed this task from Readers "Thank" editors of an article to Allow unregistered users to send "Thanks".May 7 2015, 1:32 PM
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This is not just exposing the existing Thanks feature to anonymous senders. It is a proposal for a new feature that lets you thank for an article, without identifying a particular revision. Then, some group of editors is informed.

Mattflaschen-WMF renamed this task from Allow unregistered users to send "Thanks" to Readers "Thank" editors of an article.May 7 2015, 7:05 PM
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Qgil added a subscriber: Qgil.May 27 2015, 10:23 PM

Did someone work on this project during Wikimedia-Hackathon-2015? If so, please update the task with the results. If not, please remove the label.

I suggest declining as too similar to the [[mw:Article feedback]] fiasco. The correct solution is to make users use action=history and expand thanking permissions to unregistered users.

Qgil added a comment.Jul 3 2015, 10:12 AM

The rationale of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Author_Thanks points more to a generally thankful "Like/Star this page" than to our Thanks framework, which is designed around interpersonal thanks.

Seeing that a page has been liked/starred by N users might be useful. I would keep it only for registered users, to reduce the risk of abuse (imagine school Wikipedia workshops or assignments where students compete to get the highest number), showing the values for everybody (which might be a way to encouraging readers to register, and from there...)

Liking / starring has become a popular action in the Internet, and there is a chance that this would work in Wikimedia projects too. The Article Feedback problem was the extra work it brought to editors, but this feature would not affect them negatively in any way. Editors active in page X will feel thanked if they see that 4.000 people like the page.

risk of abuse [...] this feature would not affect them negatively in any way

Contradictory statements.

Qgil added a comment.Jul 6 2015, 11:53 AM

risk of abuse [...] this feature would not affect them negatively in any way

Contradictory statements.

I don't think so. Even if a page gets 1999 non-legit thanks, how does that affect negatively the editors? Requiring user registration reduces the risk of fake numbers, that's all.

I suggest declining as too similar to the [[mw:Article feedback]] fiasco. The correct solution is to make users use action=history and expand thanking permissions to unregistered users.

This is in no way similar to article feedback. Article feedback created a backlog of work for editors to do (and the backlog wasn't as clean and easily actionable as it could have been).

This does not create a backlog of work.

Nemo_bis added a comment.EditedJul 20 2015, 7:48 PM

IMHO it's very simple. "Feedback" is meaningful if it integrates with the wiki process. "Thanking" some abstract entity for the existence of an article, without understanding the history of the page, its authors, the stratification of contributions, is the opposite of understanding and integrating with the wiki process. Therefore, it can only generate noise and harm.

P.s.: I'm changing summary because readers don't exist and there are no features restricted to unregistered users.

Nemo_bis renamed this task from Readers "Thank" editors of an article to "Thank" for an article and its authors as a whole.Jul 20 2015, 7:50 PM

Readers do exist, and your edit does not serve to clarify the purpose of the bug.

Mattflaschen-WMF renamed this task from "Thank" for an article and its authors as a whole to Readers "Thank" editors of an article.Jul 23 2015, 10:14 PM
Nemo_bis added a comment.EditedJul 23 2015, 10:33 PM

It does, because reader thanking of editors is already possible, by visiting the history. (I've further clarified by quoting the relevant snippet of the mediawiki.org page for this proposal.)

Nemo_bis renamed this task from Readers "Thank" editors of an article to Readers "Thank" for an article and its authors as a whole.Jul 23 2015, 10:34 PM
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Qgil added a comment.Jul 27 2015, 3:06 PM

"Feedback" is meaningful if it integrates with the wiki process. "Thanking" some abstract entity for the existence of an article, without understanding the history of the page, its authors, the stratification of contributions, is the opposite of understanding and integrating with the wiki process. Therefore, it can only generate noise and harm.

I disagree. "Thanking" might be more meaningful when you are aware of all the details behind a result. Still, if you like the result and it is useful to you, saying Thank You is still meaningful for a lot of people. It's like saying Please, You Are Welcome, or smiling: it makes most people feel better in both ends of an exchange.

Let's take https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harlem_Tulip as an example (literally a "Random article"). Looking at the topic and the history, I'm sure those contributors would be likely happier if they saw that NN users thanked them for that page. And probably the NN users than thanked them felt good performing that action.

Those NN thanks would not create any scientifically meaningful information [1], but would help establishing a richer social bonding between readers, editors, and the content they are both interested about.

Anyway, it looks like the opinions of a sample of actual readers and editors would be useful here. I wonder if a small survey or some quick study could be made to bring this discussion further with some data.

[1] Although with enough time and scale those Thanks might entertain researchers.

fbstj added a subscriber: fbstj.Jul 28 2015, 8:53 AM

So a reader comes along and reads a page and things 'dang this is good stuff', and wants to make sure people know that they liked it. Maybe this alerts any of the pages editors that someone liked it, but the editors would be able to disassociate from such things, or disable the alert at all. And there would be no 'this editor has been thanked for these pages' data, just 'this page has been thanked this many times. Maybe with expiry due to significant edits since? Such that a user could thank again later?

fbstj removed a subscriber: fbstj.Dec 15 2015, 2:59 PM
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This idea is completely separated from the mediawiki Thanks extension as said in T89577#1269819, hence removing the tag and adding MediaWiki-extension-requests.