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Un an avant la publication de l'article cité plus bas, j'avais réfléchi au wiki des objets "wikiobjectum".

aujourd'hui, un certain nombre de maker, qui conçoit des objets en 3d pour imprimer sur des imprimantes 3D,
envoi ces fichiers sur des plateformes propriétaires, comme thingiverse, dont la pérénéité n'est pas assurée, incertaine, ou tributaire des changements politiques de son propriétaire
(jadis, makerbot, un membre de la communauté REPRAP, racheté par le numéro 2 mondial de l'impression 3D à destination des professionnels, stratasys) ou de rachat, comme "thingiverse.com", ou instructables.com ou http://makezine.com/ ou autres plateformes (la liste est longue) basées sur un business modèle non compatible avec le bien commun.
mais aujourd'hui, la politique commercial de stratasys n'est plus à démontrer.
celle ci à racheté makerbot pour se positionner sur le marché de l'impression 3D grand public, et la plateforme de stockage de fichier "thingiverse" est en péril.

D'autres personnes du milieu des hackers, makers, hackerspaces, makerspaces, fablab, entre autres, ont pensés à la meme chose que moi, car c'est un besoin qui n'est pas propre aux problématiques de la france et de ses bricoleurs mais bien un probleme global.
http://www.makery.info/2014/07/14/faudra-t-il-attendre-dix-ans-le-wikipedia-des-makers/

mais ce n'est pas juste la prise en compte des fichiers 3D, mais aussi des fichiers vectoriels pour la découpe laser (.AI .SVG .DXF .DWG), ou pour le fraisage numérique.

le sujet de ce debat, sera donc l'étude avec des spécialistes de la faisabilité (juridique, technique, financière, et politique, entre autres) d'un tel projet au sein de la fondation wikimedia.

un certain nombre de projet allant dans ce sens commence à émmerger (WIKIHOUSE, WIKISEEDS, WIKISPEED, WIKIFARM, ...) sur la toile, et dans les milieux des makers.
un autre besoin qui est lié à ce projet, mais qui fera probablement l'objet d'autres reflexions (plus ethiques et politiques), est un wiki des objets biologiques ("openDNA"), pour le bien commun des plantes, notamment. (lié lui meme a wikiseed). mais ce dernier paragraphe est un autre probleme a lui tout seul.


one year before the publication of the bellow article, i had think about the wiki of objects "wikiobjectum".

today, lot's of maker design objects in 3D, to make it with 3D printer, send those files on privative plateform, which the pereinity is not sure, or can change with politics inside a company, for exemple, Makerbots industries, a member of the Reprap community, has been bought by the number 2 of 3d printer for companies, statasys;
thingiverse.com is one of these plateform, instrutables, makezine.om are other ones. and there is a lots of other ones, witch the business model is not based on the commons.
but today, the business model and the business plan for makerbot in stratasys is clear.
stratasys has bought makerbot, to be on good place on the global market for hobbyiest, and the well-used-sharring plateform is in danger.

other people from hackerspaces, makerspaces, fablabs, and the community of hacker and makers has think about the same i did, because this need is not only a french problem, but a global need.
http://www.iftf.org/future-now/article-detail/from-10yf2014-a-wikipedia-for-making-a-transformation/

but it's not just the support of 3D files, but the support of other format of file, for example vectorial format for laser cutting, or milling (.AI .SVG .DXF .DWG).

the aim of this debate is to think about how it's possible to implement this project in wikimedia fundation, with specialist (lawyer, techies, politics, ...)

other projects is in the same way (wikihouse, wikiseeds, wikispeed, wikifarm,...) and others needs more reflection like wikidna, for the commons on biologic, but this is another ethic problem that we hav to think about later.

Ressources :
http://pad.limouzi.org/p/WikiForMakers

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Is this proposal about a new wiki in the Wikimedia family? Have you considered a category / wikiproject / portal / you-name-it within Wikimedia Commons? See my related comment T3790#1141309

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Is this proposal about a new wiki in the Wikimedia family?

in my mind it is more a new wiki in the wikimedia family,
the wiki of "objects". (like wikibook)

Have you considered a category / wikiproject / portal / you-name-it within Wikimedia Commons?

it could be a new category in the wikimedia commons, "3D files".

See my related comment T3790#1141309

it is larger than just supporting the integration of 3D print file , but it's one part of the project.
interesting post.

Have you considered a category within Wikimedia Commons?

it is not just 3d printing file, it is vectorial files too. maybe another category.

in my mind it is more a new wiki in the wikimedia family,
the wiki of "objects". (like wikibook)

Creating a new type of wiki in the Wikimedia family takes a lot of energy, time, and supporters. Wikidata and Wikivoyage are the last ones, created years ago. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects

I think your chances of success would be significantly bigger if you contribute your energies to improve the scope of Wikimedia Commons, but this is the last time I will try to convince you, since I'm no expert or stakeholder in this topic. :)

in my mind it is more a new wiki in the wikimedia family,
the wiki of "objects". (like wikibook)

Creating a new type of wiki in the Wikimedia family takes a lot of energy, time, and supporters. Wikidata and Wikivoyage are the last ones, created years ago. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects

i understand, and i agreed ^^

I think your chances of success would be significantly bigger if you contribute your energies to improve the scope of Wikimedia Commons, but this is the last time I will try to convince you, since I'm no expert or stakeholder in this topic. :)

i think it will be a first good step :-)

+1 to @Qgil. A good first step would be to allow uploading 3D to Commons, as part of the long standing T3790. I would say based on how the new functionality works on Commons, we can then discuss creating an entire new project. There is no lack of stl repositories on the web, and those other platforms already have their communities, and github also comes handy with stl files. The only significant different this new wiki would bring, is that it wouldn't be owned by a company..but what else?

+1 to @Qgil. A good first step would be to allow uploading 3D to Commons, as part of the long standing T3790.

the important question is : how can we do that ? because it is a need since 2005, and still not yet allow on the system ... who knows the prrocedur about that ?

I would say based on how the new functionality works on Commons, we can then discuss creating an entire new project.

yes, it can be later.
step by step

There is no lack of stl repositories on the web, and those other platforms already have their communities,

they have their communities because nothing was possible anywhere else before, so most people goes there. it's only hobbyiest of the reprap community who uploads on thingiverse. it's a small comunity, not the design community, not the architecture community, not the fablab community (not all), not the ommunity of people owning a proprietary 3dprinter.

and github also comes handy with stl files. The only significant different this new wiki would bring, is that it wouldn't be owned by a company..but what else?

it will be the first really commons object database, which we know that will not disapear.

the only difference between Encarta, Roberts, and other existing encyclopedia you can buy is just that you have to go in a bookstore and pay to get the knowledge of the world ?
wikipedia is just larger than just the community of people who write the books, no ?

+1 to @Qgil. A good first step would be to allow uploading 3D to Commons, as part of the long standing T3790.

does our meeting will just be another meeting about the subject, or is it possible to change the wikimediafundationpolitics about it ?

We should discuss the problems of T3790 in T3790, but I think that a main problem there has been the lack of champions pushing for a specific format. If you choose one open source format, rally its supporters to join your cause, and follow up on whatever arguments are raised against, your chances of success will increase notably.

PS: in the description you mention SVG, which is already support. You also mention proprietary formats, which have basically zero chances of being accepted in Wikimedia.

@Clemclemmm, I will be happy to talk more about this in the hackathon. It is very hard to decide on a dedicated wiki before we test how things work on Commons. As a standalone project it should offer more than what others already does. Cheers :)

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