Members of the wikimedia-search-private mailing list are getting their emails to the list stuck in the moderator queue from time to time with the message that they are not in the mailing list.
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Here is a mail I sent:
MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.173.205 with HTTP; Tue, 19 May 2015 10:45:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAAUQgdB+WCTjP1Ns06zg-0EndAZ6TmYROq2eRcd_w5owSKiTnw@mail.gmail.com> References: <mailman.0.1432056931.17492.wikimedia-search-private@lists.wikimedia.org> <CAAUQgdB+WCTjP1Ns06zg-0EndAZ6TmYROq2eRcd_w5owSKiTnw@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:45:47 -0400 Delivered-To: neverett@wikimedia.org Message-ID: <CAP+xBbUqEpxJ-mdMxyJT91317RctfRjwUSoKWLsvDDY8xHYSnA@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-search-private] Fwd: Your message to Wikimedia-search-private awaits moderator approval From: Nikolas Everett <neverett@wikimedia.org> To: Internal communications for WMF search and discovery team <wikimedia-search-private@lists.wikimedia.org>, Oliver Keyes <okeyes@wikimedia.org> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=bcaec54fb4e2709bc6051672e1ea --bcaec54fb4e2709bc6051672e1ea Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54fb4e2709bc0051672e1e8 --bcaec54fb4e2709bc0051672e1e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yeah - I'm in there now trying. Uhhh - you are totally part of the mailing list. I have no idea what is going on. Anyone with more mailman foo than I have have any ideas/want to be an admin? On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes@wikimedia.org> wrote: > This is ridiculous. Can someone fix our permissions? :/ > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: <wikimedia-search-private-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org> > Date: 19 May 2015 at 13:35 > Subject: Your message to Wikimedia-search-private awaits moderator approval > To: okeyes@wikimedia.org > > > Your mail to 'Wikimedia-search-private' with the subject > > Re: [Wikimedia-search-private] Metrics/measurement and James > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Post by non-member to a members-only list > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/confirm/wikimedia-search-private/721b351ba0c4585b7e161c43c381ac8f80fa92fa > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Research Analyst > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-search-private mailing list > Wikimedia-search-private@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-search-private > --bcaec54fb4e2709bc0051672e1e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah - I'm in there now trying. Uhhh - you are totally= part of the mailing list. I have no idea what is going on. Anyone with mor= e mailman foo than I have have any ideas/want to be an admin?<br></div><div= class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, May 19, 2015 = at 1:40 PM, Oliver Keyes <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:okeyes@wik= imedia.org" target=3D"_blank">okeyes@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br= ><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1= px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This is ridiculous. Can someone fix our per= missions? :/<br> <br> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br> From:=C2=A0 <<a href=3D"mailto:wikimedia-search-private-bounces@lists.wi= kimedia.org">wikimedia-search-private-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><b= r> Date: 19 May 2015 at 13:35<br> Subject: Your message to Wikimedia-search-private awaits moderator approval= <br> To: <a href=3D"mailto:okeyes@wikimedia.org">okeyes@wikimedia.org</a><br> <br> <br> Your mail to 'Wikimedia-search-private' with the subject<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Re: [Wikimedia-search-private] Metrics/measurement and James<= br> <br> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.<br> <br> The reason it is being held:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Post by non-member to a members-only list<br> <br> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive<br> notification of the moderator's decision.=C2=A0 If you would like to ca= ncel<br> this posting, please visit the following URL:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/confirm/wikime= dia-search-private/721b351ba0c4585b7e161c43c381ac8f80fa92fa" target=3D"_bla= nk">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/confirm/wikimedia-search-private/72= 1b351ba0c4585b7e161c43c381ac8f80fa92fa</a><br> <span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br> <br> <br> --<br> Oliver Keyes<br> Research Analyst<br> Wikimedia Foundation<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Wikimedia-search-private mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:Wikimedia-search-private@lists.wikimedia.org">Wikimedia-s= earch-private@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-search-pr= ivate" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikim= edia-search-private</a><br> </font></span></blockquote></div><br></div> --bcaec54fb4e2709bc0051672e1e8-- --bcaec54fb4e2709bc6051672e1ea Content-Type: image/png; name="okeyes in list.png" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="okeyes in list.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_i9vm2pe50 iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAtsAAALYCAIAAAAihqlRAAAAA3NCSVQICAjb4U/gAAAAGXRFWHRT b2Z0d2FyZQBnbm9tZS1zY3JlZW5zaG907wO/PgAAIABJREFUeJzs3Xd4FNXaAPB3tqdseoM0SCCh htAChBapQUCKoBQRlCJwUQQBQVApIipKEQVRigiIQBA/amgCASmCEqpEipBAICTZ2d5mZ873RzY9 WwibbDa8v8fnudk5Z04N97yZcpYihACqSTTXDLPfN+y9TERuoFZCVD/J8q/EbX2c3SyEEEKoKlEY --snip-- +HgZNjmBAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC --bcaec54fb4e2709bc6051672e1ea--
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We are experiencing the same thing with the Wikipedia-Library lists: its even rejecting admins of the list (for example, jorlowitz@gmail.com ).
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Yeah - it rejected mine today and I'm an admin in that I know that admin password. I don't think it connects my email to my web actions though.
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fwiw, as manybubbles said there is no user flag "admin" or something that influences how mails are treated.
"being an admin" just means knowing the password for the web ui
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Also occurring on (non-public, non-archiving, subscriber-only) checkuser-L - this is flat-out rejecting emails from subscribers, not sending to moderation.
Not occurring on some other non-public lists, such as functionaries-en-L (which allows moderation and is an archiving list but is non-public) or oversight-L (non-public, subscriber-only, non-archiving).
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Possible issue identified and working on a fix. Likely a permissions issue. Will keep updated.
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We have now confirmed that it is also affecting oversight-L as well. It seems it will allow the first email in a "new" thread but will reject replies to existing threads on both checkuser-L and oversight-L.
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For the record problem on board-elections too [though I imagine if you've found the issue you can figure it out, dropping here just in case it ends up being needed for further troubleshooting].
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I tried a new thread and a reply on checkuser-l and they got rejected as described in this bug.
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After countless attempts and searching the issues was linked to a broken configuration change merged last month with no restart so this was not identified at the time of merge.
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/212188/ revert it.
I was the original patch maker so I am ultimately at fault but that was a year ago so! Thanks to @RobH for the merging and fixing as well as assisting in debug and @Dzahn too.
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See https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incident_documentation/20150519-Mailman for more information
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Wondering if the issue reported by at least two people that they receive empty digests is also kind of related to configuration patches?
See e.g. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-May/081684.html
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No as the patch only took effect today. Also digests seem fine for me so it is unrelated.