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Dec 28 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T111913: [Story] In the "other projects" sidebar on multilingual wikis, link to wikis in the user language.

I think that the way the issue is described here is incorrect. See the correct and more detailed description in T154181
Now I can see that the description IS correct, but the issues are quite different. This is why I doubt that merging these was a good idea.

Dec 28 2016, 12:32 PM · Story, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata

Dec 27 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T154181: Provide an easy way to localize links to some projects' main pages on the sidebar.

Go to any Russian wiki (e.g. Russian Wikipedia) and follow any of the links I mentioned, except MediaWiki (it's still in English for some reason) – you'll get to the appropriate projects' main pages in Russian.

Dec 27 2016, 4:28 PM · I18n, Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient
Piramidion created T154181: Provide an easy way to localize links to some projects' main pages on the sidebar.
Dec 27 2016, 11:58 AM · I18n, Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient

Dec 18 2016

Piramidion awarded T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language a Love token.
Dec 18 2016, 9:44 PM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization
Piramidion closed T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language as Resolved.
Dec 18 2016, 9:37 PM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization
Piramidion added a comment to T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language.

Most likely the change was not deployed there yet when you asked. If it still happens, you please file a subtask with more details.

No, it's OK now, thanks.

Dec 18 2016, 9:37 PM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization

Dec 14 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T153255: Promote the signature button to the toolbar (or somewhere else more prominent) in VE/NWE.

The last time we measured this I believe it was very rare for people to click on the "sign" button in the existing wikitext editor. By far, people just write ~~~~.

Dec 14 2016, 11:45 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor
Piramidion added a comment to T153255: Promote the signature button to the toolbar (or somewhere else more prominent) in VE/NWE.

How about upgrading the button's priority in the "insert" dialog for talk and Wikipedia namespaces, and downgrading or completely hiding it for all the other namespaces?

Dec 14 2016, 11:12 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor
Piramidion added a comment to T153255: Promote the signature button to the toolbar (or somewhere else more prominent) in VE/NWE.

That said I appreciate it is a very useful tool on talk pages, although I wonder how often it is actually used...

Dec 14 2016, 10:28 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor
Piramidion created T153255: Promote the signature button to the toolbar (or somewhere else more prominent) in VE/NWE.
Dec 14 2016, 9:18 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor

Dec 1 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T109033: Add Ukrainian and Belarusian as fallback languages for Russian.

I advise you to close this ticket as declined. You shouldn't implement any language fallbacks without obtaining the relevant community's consent. And you shouldn't restore Russian fallback for Ukrainian wikis after it's been removed (T39314)

Dec 1 2016, 9:37 PM · Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-Internationalization
Piramidion added a comment to T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language.

And one more question – what about Wikimedia Commons? Its license templates still fallback to Russian.

Dec 1 2016, 9:36 PM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization
Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

OK, thanks!

Dec 1 2016, 6:51 PM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch

Nov 30 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

@EBernhardson This is the list of magic words in Russian to search for:

(#ПЕРЕНАПР|#перенапр|#перенаправление|__БЕЗ_ОГЛАВЛЕНИЯ__|__БЕЗ_ОГЛ__|__БЕЗ_ГАЛЕРЕИ__|__ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНОЕ_ОГЛАВЛЕНИЕ__|__ОБЯЗ_ОГЛ__|__ОГЛАВЛЕНИЕ__|__ОГЛ__|__БЕЗ_РЕДАКТИРОВАНИЯ_РАЗДЕЛА__|ТЕКУЩИЙ_МЕСЯЦ|ТЕКУЩИЙ_МЕСЯЦ_2|ТЕКУЩИЙ_МЕСЯЦ_1|НАЗВАНИЕ_ТЕКУЩЕГО_МЕСЯЦА|НАЗВАНИЕ_ТЕКУЩЕГО_МЕСЯЦА_РОД|НАЗВАНИЕ_ТЕКУЩЕГО_МЕСЯЦА_АБР|ТЕКУЩИЙ_ДЕНЬ|ТЕКУЩИЙ_ДЕНЬ_2|НАЗВАНИЕ_ТЕКУЩЕГО_ДНЯ|ТЕКУЩИЙ_ГОД|ТЕКУЩЕЕ_ВРЕМЯ|ТЕКУЩИЙ_ЧАС|МЕСТНЫЙ_МЕСЯЦ|МЕСТНЫЙ_МЕСЯЦ_2|МЕСТНЫЙ_МЕСЯЦ_1|НАЗВАНИЕ_МЕСТНОГО_МЕСЯЦА|НАЗВАНИЕ_МЕСТНОГО_МЕСЯЦА_РОД|НАЗВАНИЕ_МЕСТНОГО_МЕСЯЦА_АБР|МЕСТНЫЙ_ДЕНЬ|МЕСТНЫЙ_ДЕНЬ_2|НАЗВАНИЕ_МЕСТНОГО_ДНЯ|МЕСТНЫЙ_ГОД|МЕСТНОЕ_ВРЕМЯ|МЕСТНЫЙ_ЧАС|КОЛИЧЕСТВО_СТРАНИЦ|КОЛИЧЕСТВО_СТАТЕЙ|КОЛИЧЕСТВО_ФАЙЛОВ|КОЛИЧЕСТВО_УЧАСТНИКОВ|КОЛИЧЕСТВО_АКТИВНЫХ_УЧАСТНИКОВ|КОЛИЧЕСТВО_ПРАВОК|НАЗВАНИЕ_СТРАНИЦЫ|НАЗВАНИЕ_СТРАНИЦЫ_2|ПРОСТРАНСТВО_ИМЁН|ПРОСТРАНСТВО_ИМЁН_2|ПРОСТРАНСТВО_ОБСУЖДЕНИЙ|ПРОСТРАНСТВО_ОБСУЖДЕНИЙ_2|ПРОСТРАНСТВО_СТАТЕЙ|ПРОСТРАНСТВО_СТАТЕЙ_2|ПОЛНОЕ_НАЗВАНИЕ_СТРАНИЦЫ|ПОЛНОЕ_НАЗВАНИЕ_СТРАНИЦЫ_2|НАЗВАНИЕ_ПОДСТРАНИЦЫ|НАЗВАНИЕ_ПОДСТРАНИЦЫ_2|ОСНОВА_НАЗВАНИЯ_СТРАНИЦЫ|ОСНОВА_НАЗВАНИЯ_СТРАНИЦЫ_2|НАЗВАНИЕ_СТРАНИЦЫ_ОБСУЖДЕНИЯ|НАЗВАНИЕ_СТРАНИЦЫ_ОБСУЖДЕНИЯ_2|НАЗВАНИЕ_СТРАНИЦЫ_СТАТЬИ|НАЗВАНИЕ_СТРАНИЦЫ_СТАТЬИ_2|СООБЩЕНИЕ:|СООБЩ:|ПОДСТАНОВКА:|ПОДСТ:|ЗАЩПОДСТ:|СООБЩ_БЕЗ_ВИКИ:|мини|миниатюра|справа|слева|обрамить|сверхусправа|граница|основание|сверху|текст-сверху|посередине|снизу|текст-снизу|ссылка|НАЗВАНИЕ_САЙТА|ПИ:|ПИК:|ЛОКАЛЬНЫЙ_АДРЕС:|ЛОКАЛЬНЫЙ_АДРЕС_2:|ПУТЬ_К_СТАТЬЕ|ИДЕНТИФИКАТОР_СТРАНИЦЫ|НАЗВАНИЕ_СЕРВЕРА|ПУТЬ_К_СКРИПТУ|ПУТЬ_К_СТИЛЮ|ПАДЕЖ:|ПОЛ:|__БЕЗ_ПРЕОБРАЗОВАНИЯ_ЗАГОЛОВКА__|__БЕЗ_ПРЕОБРАЗОВАНИЯ_ТЕКСТА__|ТЕКУЩАЯ_НЕДЕЛЯ|ТЕКУЩИЙ_ДЕНЬ_НЕДЕЛИ|МЕСТНАЯ_НЕДЕЛЯ|МЕСТНЫЙ_ДЕНЬ_НЕДЕЛИ|ИД_ВЕРСИИ|ДЕНЬ_ВЕРСИИ|ДЕНЬ_ВЕРСИИ_2|МЕСЯЦ_ВЕРСИИ|МЕСЯЦ_ВЕРСИИ_1|ГОД_ВЕРСИИ|ОТМЕТКА_ВРЕМЕНИ_ВЕРСИИ|ВЕРСИЯ_УЧАСТНИКА|МНОЖЕСТВЕННОЕ_ЧИСЛО:|ПОЛНЫЙ_АДРЕС:|ПОЛНЫЙ_АДРЕС_2:|ПЕРВАЯ_БУКВА_МАЛЕНЬКАЯ:|ПЕРВАЯ_БУКВА_БОЛЬШАЯ:|МАЛЕНЬКИМИ_БУКВАМИ:|БОЛЬШИМИ_БУКВАМИ:|НЕОБРАБ:|ПОКАЗАТЬ_ЗАГОЛОВОК|__ССЫЛКА_НА_НОВЫЙ_РАЗДЕЛ__|__БЕЗ_ССЫЛКИ_НА_НОВЫЙ_РАЗДЕЛ__|ТЕКУЩАЯ_ВЕРСИЯ|ЗАКОДИРОВАННЫЙ_АДРЕС:|КОДИРОВАТЬ_МЕТКУ|ОТМЕТКА_ТЕКУЩЕГО_ВРЕМЕНИ|ОТМЕТКА_МЕСТНОГО_ВРЕМЕНИ|НАПРАВЛЕНИЕ_ПИСЬМА|#ЯЗЫК:|ЯЗЫК_СОДЕРЖАНИЯ|СТРАНИЦ_В_ПРОСТРАНСТВЕ_ИМЁН:|КОЛИЧЕСТВО_АДМИНИСТРАТОРОВ|ФОРМАТИРОВАТЬ_ЧИСЛО|ЗАПОЛНИТЬ_СЛЕВА|ЗАПОЛНИТЬ_СПРАВА|служебная|СОРТИРОВКА_ПО_УМОЛЧАНИЮ|КЛЮЧ_СОРТИРОВКИ|ПУТЬ_К_ФАЙЛУ:|метка|тэг|__СКРЫТАЯ_КАТЕГОРИЯ__|СТРАНИЦ_В_КАТЕГОРИИ|РАЗМЕР_СТРАНИЦЫ|__ИНДЕКС__|__БЕЗ_ИНДЕКСА__|ЧИСЛО_В_ГРУППЕ|__СТАТИЧЕСКОЕ_ПЕРЕНАПРАВЛЕНИЕ__|УРОВЕНЬ_ЗАЩИТЫ|форматдаты|ПУТЬ|ВИКИ|ЗАПРОС|страницы|подкатегории|файлы)
Nov 30 2016, 10:06 PM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch
Piramidion added a comment to T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language.

@thiemowmde Thanks for the info. Hope you're right and it will go away soon.

Nov 30 2016, 9:20 PM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization
Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

@EBernhardson Thanks for the adjustment. I've checked them all, found only 10 positives, 2 of which I didn't fix due to the context. I'll post the result on the "remove the Russian fallback" thread. If the language engineers agree to remove those aliases, the current patch wouldn't be needed anymore.

Nov 30 2016, 9:14 PM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch
Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

I have checked several pages from the list P4542 and it seems that most of them are false positives: four Ukrainian aliases had been included in the search query and some of Russian aliases, like "Журнал", also result in false positives (pages containing Special:Журнали, which is in Ukrainian). I'll count the pages with true positives, but even now I think that backwards compatibility is inconsistent for keeping all those Russian aliases.

Nov 30 2016, 7:50 PM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch
Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

I thank all of you for devoting your time and efforts to resolving this issue.

Nov 30 2016, 7:13 PM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch
Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

Unless, of course, you're ok with removing Russian ones completely, in that case the problem goes away naturally.

Nov 30 2016, 12:11 AM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch

Nov 29 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

I'm not sure if I understood everything correctly, but I doubt this could do any difference. The suggestions are ranked alphabetically, and same aliases usually use names that start with different letters in Ukrainian and Russian. So in the example described above, nothing would change. Of course, that's if I got you right.

Nov 29 2016, 10:21 PM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch
Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

If this could work somehow, I can assist with creating a list of Russian aliases based on that php file.

Nov 29 2016, 9:12 PM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch
Piramidion added a comment to T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language.

I can see that Wikidata still uses Russian as a fallback. Will this change after some time, or is this a separate issue that needs a separate ticket?

Nov 29 2016, 9:02 PM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization

Nov 27 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

OK, thanks!

Nov 27 2016, 6:50 PM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch
Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

Yes.

Nov 27 2016, 4:34 PM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch
Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

No, Ukrainian uses cyrillic script, so you don't have to do anything with English. The problem is with Ukrainian/Russian results.

Nov 27 2016, 2:06 PM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch

Nov 26 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.

Yes, it would be good to deprioritize all the fallback languages in the search suggestions, but I think that would be a bit different request as compared to the current one. Quote:

Nov 26 2016, 12:01 PM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch
Piramidion added a comment to T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language.

@Base By saying that they were used in Ukrainian Wikipedia you mean they were just seen in the interface? Or used somewhere in the wikitext? Because I'm refering to the second, since, afaik, the alleged usage in the wikitext is the only reason these aliases are being kept now.

Nov 26 2016, 1:26 AM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization
Piramidion renamed T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first from Don't show special page aliases in russian in the search suggestions on ukwiki to Don't show special page aliases in Russian in the search suggestions on ukwiki.
Nov 26 2016, 1:20 AM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch
Piramidion created T151660: Reorder aliases in the search suggestions on ukwiki so that Ukrainian aliases always come first.
Nov 26 2016, 1:12 AM · MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-12-06_(1.29.0-wmf.5)), MW-1.29-release-notes, Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Discovery, CirrusSearch

Nov 25 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language.

Will those special page aliases be seen in the search autocomplete? This has been one of the major problems with the fallback. For instance, if a Ukrainian user tries to search for special page names starting with "У" (i. e: Special:У.... ), he'll get 8 russian results out of 10, while the two Ukrainian ones would be seen on the 7th and 8th places, that is, there go 6 Russian search suggestions, then 2 Ukrainian, and 2 more in Russian. This is obviously wrong for a Ukrainian wiki. I'm an editor of ukwiki since 2013, and I've never seen a Russian special page name or a magic word in Russian used in Ukrainian Wikipedia.

Nov 25 2016, 10:34 AM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization

Nov 6 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T149550: Change the locative form of Ukrainian sitenames.

@Base Sorry, I didn't read it carefully enough. Now I see what you've meant and completely agree with you.
@Nemo_bis So who can make those patches? I have no clue how this is done. But I can create a more or less complete list of Wikimedia sitenames (I guess translatewiki.net can be included?) and all their case forms, locative in particular. Anyway I'd like this task to result in an update of the php file

Nov 6 2016, 7:03 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.37; 2020-06-16), WikimediaMessages, I18n
Piramidion added a comment to T149550: Change the locative form of Ukrainian sitenames.

@Base I'm not sure if you understand what I mean by removing the prepositions from that file. I'll try to explain.
On translatewiki.net we have a message

Search {{SITENAME}}

We translate it as

Пошук {{GRAMMAR:locative|{{SITENAME}}}}

We get:

Nov 6 2016, 4:06 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.37; 2020-06-16), WikimediaMessages, I18n
Piramidion added a comment to T149550: Change the locative form of Ukrainian sitenames.

I'm not sure about the use of "по" too. You may be right saying that it's some other case. But the noun "стіл" has two locative forms – "столі" and "столу" (see dictionaries)... Either way, the preposition should be added outside the grammar form in this case as well.

Nov 6 2016, 3:52 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.37; 2020-06-16), WikimediaMessages, I18n
Piramidion added a comment to T149550: Change the locative form of Ukrainian sitenames.

There was a discussion but outside Wikipedia. And locative is not just preposition + nominative. It's that just some words change form in locative (like Wikipedia) and some don't (like Meta-wiki), but the preposition is needed everywhere, so it's best to leave the preposition outside the grammar form, so that some words can be defined in the document mentioned, while the others would be left unchanged, but will have a preposition as well.

Nov 6 2016, 1:14 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.37; 2020-06-16), WikimediaMessages, I18n

Oct 31 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T149550: Change the locative form of Ukrainian sitenames.

By the way, are there any means to list all the messages using "grammar" for Ukrainian? I don't think there are many (if any) of those using locative (we usually avoid it, considering the issues mentioned), but It would be nice to be able to check.

Oct 31 2016, 8:04 AM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.37; 2020-06-16), WikimediaMessages, I18n
Piramidion created T149550: Change the locative form of Ukrainian sitenames.
Oct 31 2016, 8:03 AM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.37; 2020-06-16), WikimediaMessages, I18n

Aug 11 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language.

Information is still being collected and it's not at all clear for now that the fallback should be removed, but of course it's ok to keep this report open while the analysis continues.

In T39314#2528467, @Ata wrote:

Added some.

Thanks, I'm continuing there with the analysis of the sources.

Aug 11 2016, 2:17 PM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization

Aug 9 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language.

@Nemo_bis as for

Showing English strings instead of Russian is not less of a surzhyk.

– you're wrong, simply because if we had only English, we would have only two languages in the interface. Instead we used to have three (!). So showing English strings instead of Russian is much less of a surzhyk.

Aug 9 2016, 9:21 AM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization

Aug 7 2016

Piramidion updated the task description for T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language.
Aug 7 2016, 8:59 PM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization

Aug 6 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T39314: Remove Russian fallback for Ukrainian language.

In addition to the arguments above, I can provide an additional illustration of what languages the Ukrainian community does prefer to use. Just analyse the use of the templates lang-en and lang-ru in Ukrainian Wikipedia:

And just for an example,

The numbers talk for themselves. Besides, the fallback, enabled in Wikidata, causes a lot of problems, since both Russian and Ukrainian languages use cyrillic alphabet. Ukrainians often don't know that they read the Russian translation of some content taken from Wikidata, so they read it incorrectly. Just to illustrate this, the Ukrainian name for Berlin is Берлін. In Russian it's written as Берлин, which corresponds to the name of an article in ukwiki – Берлин (a village in Ukraine). The same problem often occurs with different asian names, as Russian spelling of the names like Ким Чен Ир could be easily misperceived as written in Ukrainian, while for the Ukrainian the correct spelling (and pronunciation) would be Кім Чен Ір.

Aug 6 2016, 9:10 AM · User-notice, MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2016-11-29_(1.29.0-wmf.4)), Language-Q2-2016-17 Sprint 4, Language-Engineering October-December 2016, Community-Relations-Support, MediaWiki-Internationalization

Jul 1 2016

Piramidion awarded T106262: Stats for a page is not updated after a null edit. Now it has to be a real edit a Like token.
Jul 1 2016, 9:26 AM · MW-1.27-release (WMF-deploy-2016-04-26_(1.27.0-wmf.22)), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-Translate

Apr 14 2016

Qgil awarded T106262: Stats for a page is not updated after a null edit. Now it has to be a real edit a Like token.
Apr 14 2016, 1:06 PM · MW-1.27-release (WMF-deploy-2016-04-26_(1.27.0-wmf.22)), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-Translate
Elitre awarded T106262: Stats for a page is not updated after a null edit. Now it has to be a real edit a Like token.
Apr 14 2016, 12:51 PM · MW-1.27-release (WMF-deploy-2016-04-26_(1.27.0-wmf.22)), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-Translate

Jan 28 2016

Piramidion added a comment to T106262: Stats for a page is not updated after a null edit. Now it has to be a real edit.

This might be relevant:
When you start translating a page and translate the (any) first message, your language is added to the <languages /> box and shows 0% translated, as if that first message was ignored.

Jan 28 2016, 2:14 AM · MW-1.27-release (WMF-deploy-2016-04-26_(1.27.0-wmf.22)), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-Translate

Nov 29 2015

Piramidion added a project to T119805: Templates that contain a colon in their names gain an extra colon while edited in VE: VisualEditor-EditingTools.
Nov 29 2015, 5:15 PM · User-Ryasmeen, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, VisualEditor

Nov 28 2015

Piramidion updated the task description for T119805: Templates that contain a colon in their names gain an extra colon while edited in VE.
Nov 28 2015, 8:39 PM · User-Ryasmeen, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, VisualEditor
Piramidion created T119805: Templates that contain a colon in their names gain an extra colon while edited in VE.
Nov 28 2015, 8:38 PM · User-Ryasmeen, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates, VisualEditor

Jul 23 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T106262: Stats for a page is not updated after a null edit. Now it has to be a real edit.

@Elitre I am talking about another group, which I've finished translating today. The one relevant to the contest is called "VisualEditor Translathon", and the one I'm talking about is its parent group, called simply "VisualEditor".

Jul 23 2015, 3:33 PM · MW-1.27-release (WMF-deploy-2016-04-26_(1.27.0-wmf.22)), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-Translate
Piramidion added a comment to T106262: Stats for a page is not updated after a null edit. Now it has to be a real edit.

I had to false edit every single page in the VisualEditor message group on mediawiki.org to find out that only the very last one from that group (VisualEditor/Survey 2015/uk) triggered the group translation stats 100% complete.

Jul 23 2015, 9:27 AM · MW-1.27-release (WMF-deploy-2016-04-26_(1.27.0-wmf.22)), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-Translate

Jul 21 2015

Piramidion triaged T106262: Stats for a page is not updated after a null edit. Now it has to be a real edit as High priority.
Jul 21 2015, 8:55 PM · MW-1.27-release (WMF-deploy-2016-04-26_(1.27.0-wmf.22)), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-Translate

Jul 19 2015

Piramidion updated the task description for T106262: Stats for a page is not updated after a null edit. Now it has to be a real edit.
Jul 19 2015, 9:57 AM · MW-1.27-release (WMF-deploy-2016-04-26_(1.27.0-wmf.22)), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-Translate
Piramidion created T106262: Stats for a page is not updated after a null edit. Now it has to be a real edit.
Jul 19 2015, 9:56 AM · MW-1.27-release (WMF-deploy-2016-04-26_(1.27.0-wmf.22)), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-Translate

Jul 8 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T102926: don't show a link to translate from Ukrainian to Russian to people who aren't interested in it.

Since nothing seems to be getting done about this issue, our community desided to do it the hard way: we've disabled the translation suggestions completely. The reasoning for doing this was as follows:

Jul 8 2015, 9:49 AM · WorkType-NewFunctionality, ContentTranslation

Jun 20 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T103229: Citoid messages in VE suddenly became untranslated.

Those messages were renamed in translatewiki, there is nothing to translate. I tried to use null edits there but nothing happened. Will see tomorrow if those null edits have any effect on those messages.

Jun 20 2015, 3:30 PM · WMF-deploy-2015-06-23_(1.26wmf11), I18n, Citoid
Piramidion added a comment to T103229: Citoid messages in VE suddenly became untranslated.

The same is in Polish Wikipedia.

Jun 20 2015, 9:41 AM · WMF-deploy-2015-06-23_(1.26wmf11), I18n, Citoid
Piramidion updated the task description for T103229: Citoid messages in VE suddenly became untranslated.
Jun 20 2015, 9:21 AM · WMF-deploy-2015-06-23_(1.26wmf11), I18n, Citoid
Piramidion created T103229: Citoid messages in VE suddenly became untranslated.
Jun 20 2015, 9:21 AM · WMF-deploy-2015-06-23_(1.26wmf11), I18n, Citoid

Jun 19 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T102926: don't show a link to translate from Ukrainian to Russian to people who aren't interested in it.

I am thinking that this could be handled in a way that it finally rests on the user on whether they would like the 'Accept Language' suggestions to be shown to them.

Jun 19 2015, 6:51 PM · WorkType-NewFunctionality, ContentTranslation

Jun 18 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T102926: don't show a link to translate from Ukrainian to Russian to people who aren't interested in it.

We know already that the issue is with our browsers' fallback languages. Two days ago I reset my browser's settings (actually I reinstalled it after this, since there was a problem that persisted), so now I know that Russian was set by default as the second language. I lowered its priority (moved it to the bottom of the list) and added polish language. Now I see two suggestions - to translate into Russian and Polish. If one deletes Russian from that list, the translation suggestion will no longer be visible.

Jun 18 2015, 10:29 PM · WorkType-NewFunctionality, ContentTranslation
Piramidion added a comment to T102940: Right click on ContentTranslation hovermenu does not work.

My version of Firefox is 38.0.1. Hope, all this info will help in some way.

Jun 18 2015, 8:22 PM · WorkType-Maintenance, ContentTranslation
Piramidion added a comment to T102940: Right click on ContentTranslation hovermenu does not work.

Right click works fine in Chrome and Firefox. If you right click in Chrome, the hover menu doesn't disappear. If you right click in Firefox, it disappears, but you still can open the link in a new tab (the hover menu disappears, but the browser context menu is there). I've just checked it in Konqueror, this works there just like in Firefox.

Jun 18 2015, 7:28 PM · WorkType-Maintenance, ContentTranslation
Piramidion added a comment to T102926: don't show a link to translate from Ukrainian to Russian to people who aren't interested in it.

Hi. If there's really nothing besides technical reasons, then this is nice to know. To clarify my own situation, I use linux, and I have not a thing in Russian on my laptop. And the only way that I deal with Russian Wikipedia is that I sometimes visit it, nothing else. So, what could be the problem then?

Jun 18 2015, 10:40 AM · WorkType-NewFunctionality, ContentTranslation
Piramidion added a project to T102926: don't show a link to translate from Ukrainian to Russian to people who aren't interested in it: ContentTranslation.
Jun 18 2015, 9:18 AM · WorkType-NewFunctionality, ContentTranslation
Piramidion created T102926: don't show a link to translate from Ukrainian to Russian to people who aren't interested in it.
Jun 18 2015, 9:15 AM · WorkType-NewFunctionality, ContentTranslation

Apr 16 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T94402: Unable to reenter the ongoing translation.

Yes, now it doesn't throw me out, though I've lost my translation (there's only one paragraph saved which I added on Thursday). Thank you for fixing this! At least I won't be afraid of losing my translations again.

Apr 16 2015, 7:21 PM · Patch-For-Review, LE-Sprint-85, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation

Apr 15 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T96159: Support <gallery> translation.

See also this: T94226

Apr 15 2015, 11:24 PM · WMF-deploy-2015-06-09_(1.26wmf9), LE-Sprint-87, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation

Apr 14 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T94402: Unable to reenter the ongoing translation.

I get Wikimedia Error.

Request: GET http://uk.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=jsonfm&list=contenttranslation&translationid=34778, from 10.20.0.108 via cp1067 cp1067 ([10.64.0.104]:3128), Varnish XID 270298074
Forwarded for: 94.231.180.23, 10.20.0.165, 10.20.0.165, 10.20.0.108
Error: 503, Service Unavailable at Tue, 14 Apr 2015 20:34:41 GMT
Apr 14 2015, 8:34 PM · Patch-For-Review, LE-Sprint-85, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation
Piramidion added a comment to T94402: Unable to reenter the ongoing translation.

Today I did the next:

  • I entered my translation,
  • quickly clicked to add a paragraph for translation (just to see what happens)
  • and got the warning saying that I've got unsaved translation and asking whether I really want to quit without saving them.
  • I've pressed the "leave this page" button.

I did nothing else, except the above. By the way, this was the first time I saw this warning. And the blue bar beneath the translation image (on the "all translations" page) has changed somehow. I think I've changed the translation in someway, but still cannot enter and see what it looks like.

Apr 14 2015, 7:40 PM · Patch-For-Review, LE-Sprint-85, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation

Apr 10 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T94402: Unable to reenter the ongoing translation.

This is the error I get:

debug=false&lang=uk&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=20150408T2…:140 
GET https://uk.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&list=contenttranslation&translationid=34778 
503 (Service Unavailable)
Apr 10 2015, 10:31 AM · Patch-For-Review, LE-Sprint-85, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation

Apr 9 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T94402: Unable to reenter the ongoing translation.

Today I did the next:

  • I entered my translation,
  • quickly clicked to add a paragraph for translation (just to see what happens)
  • and got the warning saying that I've got unsaved translation and asking whether I really want to quit without saving them.
  • I've pressed the "leave this page" button.

I did nothing else, except the above. By the way, this was the first time I saw this warning. And the blue bar beneath the translation image (on the "all translations" page) has changed somehow. I think I've changed the translation in someway, but still cannot enter and see what it looks like.

Apr 9 2015, 6:14 PM · Patch-For-Review, LE-Sprint-85, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation
Piramidion added a comment to T94402: Unable to reenter the ongoing translation.

@Nikerabbit Yes, it still doesn't load the translated text and throws me out to the "all translations" page. As for the other two translations, the small one I started just to play with and see if the issue occurs once more. But it didn't, no matter what my actions were. It could also be somehow connected with some "bigger" articles, but I don't know for sure.

Apr 9 2015, 11:31 AM · Patch-For-Review, LE-Sprint-85, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation

Apr 7 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T95001: The pop-up over "contributions" link doesn't disappear after quick hover move.

I see. Thanks for your work)

Apr 7 2015, 4:48 PM · ContentTranslation-Release5, LE-Sprint-85, good first task, ContentTranslation
Piramidion added a comment to T95001: The pop-up over "contributions" link doesn't disappear after quick hover move.

I don't see any changes yet. Hasn't it been deployed yet?

Apr 7 2015, 4:33 PM · ContentTranslation-Release5, LE-Sprint-85, good first task, ContentTranslation

Apr 3 2015

Piramidion updated the task description for T95001: The pop-up over "contributions" link doesn't disappear after quick hover move.
Apr 3 2015, 1:16 PM · ContentTranslation-Release5, LE-Sprint-85, good first task, ContentTranslation
Piramidion updated the task description for T95001: The pop-up over "contributions" link doesn't disappear after quick hover move.
Apr 3 2015, 1:11 PM · ContentTranslation-Release5, LE-Sprint-85, good first task, ContentTranslation
Piramidion created T95001: The pop-up over "contributions" link doesn't disappear after quick hover move.
Apr 3 2015, 1:10 PM · ContentTranslation-Release5, LE-Sprint-85, good first task, ContentTranslation
Piramidion added a comment to T94929: When hovering ower "bidrag" (Contributions) on sv.wp and ukwiki, unparsed text is shown.

Thanks!

Apr 3 2015, 11:48 AM · ContentTranslation

Apr 2 2015

Piramidion renamed T94929: When hovering ower "bidrag" (Contributions) on sv.wp and ukwiki, unparsed text is shown from When howering ower "bidrag" (Contributions) on sv.wp, unparsed text is shown to When hovering ower "bidrag" (Contributions) on sv.wp and ukwiki, unparsed text is shown.
Apr 2 2015, 11:26 PM · ContentTranslation
Piramidion added a comment to T94929: When hovering ower "bidrag" (Contributions) on sv.wp and ukwiki, unparsed text is shown.

Same problem in ukwiki. I just wanted to create a new task while I noticed this one, so I'l just copy what I wrote in that unsent task:

Apr 2 2015, 11:23 PM · ContentTranslation

Apr 1 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T94402: Unable to reenter the ongoing translation.

@Amire80: Yes, I haven't deleted these translations yet. I hope the access to them could be somehow restored. If not - I will have to delete them and start new ones. I will provide the names of the articles and links to the translation itself:

  • Ascraeus Mons → Гора Аскрійська (link)
  • Mr Selfridge → Містер Селфрідж (link) (I deleted this from translations)

Another user (@Ata) tried to take over the second one to finish the translation but says she couldn't for some reason.

Apr 1 2015, 12:53 AM · Patch-For-Review, LE-Sprint-85, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation

Mar 31 2015

Piramidion updated the task description for T94402: Unable to reenter the ongoing translation.
Mar 31 2015, 8:37 PM · Patch-For-Review, LE-Sprint-85, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation
Piramidion added a comment to T94254: Red link to Catalan Wikipedia instead of interwiki links after publishing a page in ukwiki.

@Amire80: Thanks for the answer!
Catalan definitely isn't set in my browser language preferences.
I don't remember if I had selected it in the CX (I have nothing to do with Catalan language), I know only that it was set by default while I opened the Special:CX page for the first time. I would recommend that this feature works only for those who did at least one translation to catalan. And even better - imho, the translator should have a possibility to enable or disable it.

Mar 31 2015, 8:28 PM · ContentTranslation

Mar 30 2015

Piramidion updated the task description for T94402: Unable to reenter the ongoing translation.
Mar 30 2015, 1:00 PM · Patch-For-Review, LE-Sprint-85, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation
Piramidion created T94402: Unable to reenter the ongoing translation.
Mar 30 2015, 12:59 PM · Patch-For-Review, LE-Sprint-85, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation

Mar 28 2015

Piramidion updated the task description for T94254: Red link to Catalan Wikipedia instead of interwiki links after publishing a page in ukwiki.
Mar 28 2015, 12:20 PM · ContentTranslation

Mar 27 2015

Piramidion renamed T94254: Red link to Catalan Wikipedia instead of interwiki links after publishing a page in ukwiki from Red link to Catalan Wikipedia instead of interwiki links after pablishing a page in ukwiki to Red link to Catalan Wikipedia instead of interwiki links after publishing a page in ukwiki.
Mar 27 2015, 10:45 PM · ContentTranslation
Piramidion updated the task description for T94254: Red link to Catalan Wikipedia instead of interwiki links after publishing a page in ukwiki.
Mar 27 2015, 10:44 PM · ContentTranslation
Piramidion updated the task description for T94254: Red link to Catalan Wikipedia instead of interwiki links after publishing a page in ukwiki.
Mar 27 2015, 9:19 PM · ContentTranslation
Piramidion updated the task description for T94254: Red link to Catalan Wikipedia instead of interwiki links after publishing a page in ukwiki.
Mar 27 2015, 9:19 PM · ContentTranslation
Piramidion created T94254: Red link to Catalan Wikipedia instead of interwiki links after publishing a page in ukwiki.
Mar 27 2015, 9:18 PM · ContentTranslation
Piramidion added a comment to T92269: Enable ContentTranslation in the Ukrainian Wikipedia.

@santhosh: Thanks a lot!

Mar 27 2015, 8:17 PM · Notice, Roadmap, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation-Deployments, ContentTranslation
Piramidion created T94226: Image captions in the <gallery> tags are not translated after publishing.
Mar 27 2015, 8:15 PM · ContentTranslation
Piramidion created T94222: Strange source code when trying to create a "red link" in the translated text.
Mar 27 2015, 8:06 PM · ContentTranslation-Release6, ContentTranslation

Mar 20 2015

Piramidion added a comment to T92269: Enable ContentTranslation in the Ukrainian Wikipedia.

@santhosh: I've just tried to translate an article on beta-wiki. I can already tell that nearly everything works fine. I noticed some issues but they are not related to the target language and they've already been reported and are being worked upon. Categories were chosen correctly, links were adopted correctly.

Mar 20 2015, 10:00 PM · Notice, Roadmap, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation-Deployments, ContentTranslation

Mar 10 2015

Piramidion created T92269: Enable ContentTranslation in the Ukrainian Wikipedia.
Mar 10 2015, 2:25 PM · Notice, Roadmap, ContentTranslation-Release5, ContentTranslation-Deployments, ContentTranslation

Dec 20 2014

Piramidion added a comment to T41041: Page display title should be allowed to use a non-existent fake namespace after move.

By the way, this thing that I posted at Wikimedia Forum happens to me only on Meta-Wiki. On MediaWiki while editing the help namespace in / page display title / the problem didn't show. Don't know if this information would be useful. I just feel like I have to mention this.

Dec 20 2014, 8:44 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-Translate