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May 4 2022, 1:11 PM (7 w, 5 d)
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Fri, Jun 24

AGutman-WMF added a comment to T236593: Cannot enter multiple forms for the same language variant.

@Fnielsen as far as I see, each variant spelling forms its own set of inflected forms, so you have a paradigm related to mørklægge and another paradigm related to the variant spelling mørkelægge. So conceptually you don't have a single list of forms, but rather two distinct lists of forms. For this reason (and since the pronunciation slightly differs) it may make sense to separate them to two distinct lexemes.

Fri, Jun 24, 2:45 PM · Wikidata Lexicographical data, Wikidata
AGutman-WMF changed the status of T236593: Cannot enter multiple forms for the same language variant from Open to In Progress.

I'm working on a patch to allow multiple forms associated with the same private language code.

Fri, Jun 24, 2:15 PM · Wikidata Lexicographical data, Wikidata
AGutman-WMF added a comment to T236593: Cannot enter multiple forms for the same language variant.

@Fnielsen given that the pronunciation of these forms is in fact different (according to the X-Sampa notation), and each has its own distinct inflection set, I would treat these as two distinct (synonymous) lexemes. I don't see the advantage of lumping all these forms in one entry. Of course, in a dictionary intended for human-consumption it is convenient to list them together, but in a machine-readable dictionary, such as Wikidata, these should really be treated as two distinct lexemes.

Fri, Jun 24, 2:13 PM · Wikidata Lexicographical data, Wikidata
AGutman-WMF added a comment to T236593: Cannot enter multiple forms for the same language variant.

@mxn If these are purely orthographic variants (i.e. the pronunciation is the same) I would list them under a single lexeme. And in that case, the most natural way would be to list them as spelling variants rather than distinct forms.

Fri, Jun 24, 11:05 AM · Wikidata Lexicographical data, Wikidata
AGutman-WMF added a comment to T236593: Cannot enter multiple forms for the same language variant.

In Danish, we are currently using multiple forms and linking them with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P8530 See also the discussion at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Alternative_form

Fri, Jun 24, 7:39 AM · Wikidata Lexicographical data, Wikidata

Tue, Jun 21

AGutman-WMF added a comment to T236593: Cannot enter multiple forms for the same language variant.

The ideal solution would be to allow (in the language code validator) arbitrary language codes including a rank identifier. For instance, for Viatnamese one should be able to use codes such as vi-x-Q8201-1, vi-x-Q8201-2 etc. Currently this doesn't pass the validation as one gets the error Invalid Item ID "Q8201-1".

Tue, Jun 21, 9:23 AM · Wikidata Lexicographical data, Wikidata

May 13 2022

AGutman-WMF added a watcher for 2022 Wikimedia Google.org Fellowship: AGutman-WMF.
May 13 2022, 4:01 PM

May 5 2022

AGutman-WMF updated subscribers of T307582: Grant Access to ldap/wmf for Ariel Gutman.

@jhathaway to be honest, I'm not sure. Maybe @cmassaro would now.

May 5 2022, 10:55 AM · SRE, LDAP-Access-Requests

May 4 2022

AGutman-WMF created T307582: Grant Access to ldap/wmf for Ariel Gutman.
May 4 2022, 1:38 PM · SRE, LDAP-Access-Requests